Receptacles Height
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speedypetey
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Re: Receptacles Height
You need to be a litle more specific. What is baseboard height? What kind of studio?
A non-habitable room has no height restriction.
You need to be a litle more specific. What is baseboard height? What kind of studio?
A non-habitable room has no height restriction.
mthead
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Are we talking "residential "as in studio or 1/bdrm?
If so the answer is yes.
210-52 lists a max. above which the recpt. would not qualify for for req. recpt's but doesn't have a min..
High end homes with those lovely 6" and 7" moldings regularly ask for recpt's in the moldings-and they want them to be the same color too.
[ December 07, 2003, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: mthead ]
Are we talking "residential "as in studio or 1/bdrm?
If so the answer is yes.
210-52 lists a max. above which the recpt. would not qualify for for req. recpt's but doesn't have a min..
High end homes with those lovely 6" and 7" moldings regularly ask for recpt's in the moldings-and they want them to be the same color too.
[ December 07, 2003, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: mthead ]
speedypetey
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Re: Receptacles Height
mthead-
Actually the minimum would be in the floor 18" or less from the baseboard.
mthead-
Actually the minimum would be in the floor 18" or less from the baseboard.
mthead
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You get the last word S.P.
You get the last word S.P.
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This is an old 2 floor fire house located in a comercial zone in NY. The owner bought this property from an old elevator company. He is converting the first floor to a working place for himself. There is a garage, tool shop, storage, and an art studio.
The second floor is being converted into an apartment.
The Certificate of Ocupancy says clearly dwelling.
This is an old 2 floor fire house located in a comercial zone in NY. The owner bought this property from an old elevator company. He is converting the first floor to a working place for himself. There is a garage, tool shop, storage, and an art studio.
The second floor is being converted into an apartment.
The Certificate of Ocupancy says clearly dwelling.
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Receptacles in base boards were very common along time ago and are more common place nowdays.We did a home here in Tampa a few years ago for the Stienbrenner family.All of the receptacles except of course counter top receptacles,were in the base boards.Since the GC couldn`t give exact Flooring heights and the moldings were 6 in base the window to prebox was well very small for this installation.I contacted and met wuth the AHJ and explained what the problem was and that I wanted to stub wire on rough and have the holes for old work boxes cut by the trim carpenters.he allowed the rough to go this way.On trim we set the old work boxes and trimmed the devices and it worked out fine.Keep in mind working on the floor on your side takes allot longer than a standard installation would so adjust the cost acordingly
Receptacles in base boards were very common along time ago and are more common place nowdays.We did a home here in Tampa a few years ago for the Stienbrenner family.All of the receptacles except of course counter top receptacles,were in the base boards.Since the GC couldn`t give exact Flooring heights and the moldings were 6 in base the window to prebox was well very small for this installation.I contacted and met wuth the AHJ and explained what the problem was and that I wanted to stub wire on rough and have the holes for old work boxes cut by the trim carpenters.he allowed the rough to go this way.On trim we set the old work boxes and trimmed the devices and it worked out fine.Keep in mind working on the floor on your side takes allot longer than a standard installation would so adjust the cost acordingly
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When working with NM cable, and the device is to be mounted on the baseboard, because the wallboard is already installed, staples are not required. I would leave 3 feet of wire hanging at each location for the rough, have the finish carpenter cut the holes, attach the cut-in box to the end 8 inches, make up the splices, attach the receptacle, then use little screws to fasten the box to the baseboard through the end brackets. This method eliminates 3/4 of the floor work. With today's battery screwdrivers, it would be even better.
When working with NM cable, and the device is to be mounted on the baseboard, because the wallboard is already installed, staples are not required. I would leave 3 feet of wire hanging at each location for the rough, have the finish carpenter cut the holes, attach the cut-in box to the end 8 inches, make up the splices, attach the receptacle, then use little screws to fasten the box to the baseboard through the end brackets. This method eliminates 3/4 of the floor work. With today's battery screwdrivers, it would be even better.
speedypetey
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Re: Receptacles Height
Basically the only height requirement is in habitable rooms, hallways, kitchens and bathrooms. Pretty much where there are recpetacle requirements. Therefore there is no height requirement in the studio, shop, etc., since you are not required to have receptacles.
Sorry, didn't mean to get the last word. Hopefully someone else will reply.
Basically the only height requirement is in habitable rooms, hallways, kitchens and bathrooms. Pretty much where there are recpetacle requirements. Therefore there is no height requirement in the studio, shop, etc., since you are not required to have receptacles.
Sorry, didn't mean to get the last word. Hopefully someone else will reply.
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Here's a newsletter from Mike Holt about this issue:
http://www.codecheck.com/pdf/electrical/210branchcircuits/ADA.pdf
There are lots of helpful citations there and here is Mike's closing comment:
[ December 07, 2003, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]
Here's a newsletter from Mike Holt about this issue:
http://www.codecheck.com/pdf/electrical/210branchcircuits/ADA.pdf
There are lots of helpful citations there and here is Mike's closing comment:
[ December 07, 2003, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: awwt ]
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I have not installed an outlet less than 18" to center for at least 10 years.
All our job specs call out 18" to center for outlets.
This insures that even if the floor gets built up a little we will have at least 15" to the bottom.
I have not installed an outlet less than 18" to center for at least 10 years.
All our job specs call out 18" to center for outlets.
This insures that even if the floor gets built up a little we will have at least 15" to the bottom.
ryan_618
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If I were to make an attempt to answer Mr. Holt's question, it would be to reference the scope of chapter 11 of the IBC, or UBC, which both state that "buildings and thier elements shall be accessible". IMO, if you offer the receptacle to an able-bodied person, you must also offer the receptacle to a disabled person.
Bare in mind two things:
1) This provision is for both the public and employees, and
2) This provision includes both long-term and short-term disabilities.
If I were to make an attempt to answer Mr. Holt's question, it would be to reference the scope of chapter 11 of the IBC, or UBC, which both state that "buildings and thier elements shall be accessible". IMO, if you offer the receptacle to an able-bodied person, you must also offer the receptacle to a disabled person.
Bare in mind two things:
1) This provision is for both the public and employees, and
2) This provision includes both long-term and short-term disabilities.
pierre
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Ryan the real reason you want to see the receptacle higher is so you do not have to bend down to test it
When I was an apprentice, I worked with a guy who had trouble bending down to wire receptacles. He did not want any special treatment, so he would 'roll' to wire them.
Pierre
[ December 07, 2003, 05:35 PM: Message edited by: pierre ]
Ryan the real reason you want to see the receptacle higher is so you do not have to bend down to test it
When I was an apprentice, I worked with a guy who had trouble bending down to wire receptacles. He did not want any special treatment, so he would 'roll' to wire them.
Pierre
[ December 07, 2003, 05:35 PM: Message edited by: pierre ]
speedypetey
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Re: Receptacles Height
All this ADA talk is all well and good, but is this not a dwelling now? I think this thread has strayed.
speedypetey
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[ December 07, 2003, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: speedypetey ]
[ December 07, 2003, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: speedypetey ]
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How many time do we have to hear about the Stienbrenner family house? Just kidding!
Apparently receptacles in the baseboard are not a problem unless the garage, studio, workshop and storage are all in the same room.
I have been setting receptacles 12" to the bottom of the box for years, and switches 43" to the bottom of the box. They come out right below the drywall tape joint.
How many time do we have to hear about the Stienbrenner family house?
Just kidding!Apparently receptacles in the baseboard are not a problem unless the garage, studio, workshop and storage are all in the same room.
I have been setting receptacles 12" to the bottom of the box for years, and switches 43" to the bottom of the box. They come out right below the drywall tape joint.
mthead
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In my old shop the rule of thumb for recpts heights in a standard rough was "hammer height" ,which would work fine until you come back from a different job to find the helper you left at the rough had decided to borrow a framer's hammer!
In my old shop the rule of thumb for recpts heights in a standard rough was "hammer height" ,which would work fine until you come back from a different job to find the helper you left at the rough had decided to borrow a framer's hammer!
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Also, if we tell somebody there is no requirement regarding outlet height, and then later they do a job where it is required we have done them a disservice. A little extra information can go a long way. The OP can sort it out and use as it applies to their jurisdiction.
Universal Access is a good thing to strive for when practical even if not required by the letter of the law.
Also, if we tell somebody there is no requirement regarding outlet height, and then later they do a job where it is required we have done them a disservice. A little extra information can go a long way. The OP can sort it out and use as it applies to their jurisdiction.
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