recepticle replacement

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Daniel Noblet

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Had a discussion with a guy tonight that ended as most do with him. He doesn't care. Replaced two wire recept. with three wire (grounding type) recepticles and I asked him if he knew why it was a code violation to do that.
You give a false sence of sucurity it is a three wire recept. with a grounding conductor attached. It'll be fine, nothing will ever happen. Maybe not.
To my understanding replacement must be done with 2 pole recept. or a GFCI recept. indicating there is no grounding conductor supplied at this recept.
He told me he took a pigtail wire from the grounded conductor and attached it to the grounding conductor terminal. That's good enough it's attached to the ground and it will fool those pesky little recept. testers.
I really don't think he understands the differance between a
grounded conductor and a grounding conductor.
Would someone with more knowledge than I explain the hazzards of this. I made the mistake of telling him any jackass can put a couple of wires together and make a light work but it doesn't make it safe and legal.
 
Is this guy an electrician?
Ask him why he would attach a current carrying conductor to equipment that is not supposed to carry current.


Ask him to read the following sections:
406.3(D)(3)
250.130(C)
250.142(B)
 
Daniel Noblet said:
To my understanding replacement must be done with 2 pole recept. or a GFCI recept.
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You can also feed the circuit with a GFCI breaker. I have a feeling he isnt interested in doing it correctly, just making it work and charging someone for it. For some reason, some people have a thing about "getting away with somthing"
 
to add a little fuel to the fire here. Is it okay to place 3 wire receptacles downstream from a gfi that was used to replace a 2 wire receptacle?
 
fireryan said:
to add a little fuel to the fire here. Is it okay to place 3 wire receptacles downstream from a gfi that was used to replace a 2 wire receptacle?
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Yep.
Just don't connect any equipment grounding conductor(s) between GFI and the downstream receptacles. 406.3(D)(3).

steve
 
hillbilly said:
Just don't connect any equipment grounding conductor(s) between GFI and the downstream receptacles. 406.3(D)(3).
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Correct. Don't connect anything to any EGC terminal. The danger is one malfunctioning 3-wire device energizing another.
 
Did the GFCI thing recently for a slumlord. I almost ran out of "No Ground Stickers" but there were some written in Spanish included in the GFCI boxes. The inspector thought it was funny, but passed inspection. :grin:
 
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