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Need some help , customer feels my price is high. heres the job.

recording studio being built in home, all wood framing some snake work, thru crawl space to panel. All recep ckts.. are 20 amp, all lighting 15 amp.

11- duplex receptacles
8- isolated ground receptacles
13- switches all single poles
6 -wall sconces ( cust. supplied )
14- recessed cans ( i supply )
13 -cat5, 8 of which are home runs to patch panel term. on each end.
1- rg6 coax

all boxes will be surface mounted to finished dry wall , on final. (1900, and rough house, with mulberry plates). area to be wired is 25'x25' sq. i expect to spend 4-5 days on job, based on my experience from phase 1 off this project. i came in at 6k . all your opinions are valued. thanks
 
mgmelec said:
Need some help , customer feels my price is high. heres the job.

i came in at 6k . all your opinions are valued. thanks
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Here's my price...with these assumptions:
- I haven't seen the place
- All figures are based on "easy access" (standard stick built numbers)
- All devices are typical plastic box, 15A, and plastic plates

$7189.77

My number is HIGHER than yours...I factored in NO allowances for snaking, extra costs of 1900 boxes/Mulberry covers, no crawl space, etc. I think your number is more than fair.
 
mgmelec said:
customer feels my price is high.
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Of course they do.

How would they really know what the price should have been?

Don't do it for less than what you know to be true.

I don't do pricing but 6 K does not sound high to me.

Your list is basicly 52 outlets and 14 cans.
 
6K sounds fair. I've done small houses for that #. About the same amount of days on job(2 Men). But a bunch more material. Depending on the type of recessed lights the # could be low. Mr-16 fixtures can be 100+ and 6" inc are 12+.


Tom
 
mgmelec said:
Need some help , customer feels my price is high. heres the job.

recording studio being built in home, all wood framing some snake work, thru crawl space to panel. All recep ckts.. are 20 amp, all lighting 15 amp.

11- duplex receptacles
8- isolated ground receptacles
13- switches all single poles
6 -wall sconces ( cust. supplied )
14- recessed cans ( i supply )
13 -cat5, 8 of which are home runs to patch panel term. on each end.
1- rg6 coax

all boxes will be surface mounted to finished dry wall , on final. (1900, and rough house, with mulberry plates). area to be wired is 25'x25' sq. i expect to spend 4-5 days on job, based on my experience from phase 1 off this project. i came in at 6k . all your opinions are valued. thanks
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Not knowing where you live I can only guess what the cost of living is where you are. In Massachusetts we can get anywhere between $125-$200 for each recessed light which is about 2 grand by itself. Add to that a below average of $60 per outlet for everything else. So at the very cheapest we're talking $5,000. That does not take into consideration the length of your runs for the cat 5 and each of the isolated ground receptacles.
I wouldn't do it for $5,000 myself. Your price is good.
 
mgmelec said:
Need some help , customer feels my price is high. heres the job.

recording studio being built in home, all wood framing some snake work, thru crawl space to panel. All recep ckts.. are 20 amp, all lighting 15 amp.

11- duplex receptacles
8- isolated ground receptacles
13- switches all single poles
6 -wall sconces ( cust. supplied )
14- recessed cans ( i supply )
13 -cat5, 8 of which are home runs to patch panel term. on each end.
1- rg6 coax

all boxes will be surface mounted to finished dry wall , on final. (1900, and rough house, with mulberry plates). area to be wired is 25'x25' sq. i expect to spend 4-5 days on job, based on my experience from phase 1 off this project. I came in at 6k . all your opinions are valued. thanks
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That price sounds reasonable to me. I do a lot of audio work myself for the web and it sounds like it will be a nice recording studio.

the customer will always think a price is too high IMO
 
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Thanks for the input guys, customer has decided to pick job apart. no more cans, he'll pull cat5 home runs, how many switches can we eliminate. you know the scenario. now, this once nice job, is quickly becoming a pita. oh well thats business.
 
I had a customer like that. She wanted to know how much she would save if she drilled the holes, intalled boxes, etc.

I told her I'm sorry but we're not going to be able to help you with your project. We need to do the whole job or nothing at all. Our company policy is to not allow our customers to help or do any part of the work. This would void any warranty and we've experieced to many problems from this in the past. She backed down and we did the whole job according to the original proposal.
 
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customer has decided to pick job apart,now, this once nice job, is quickly becoming a pita.
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When they start to do that I find it's a good idea to ask stait up what they are willing to spend, No beating around the bush. If they are only willing or only have three grand then tell them what you can do for the amount of money they have. If they are not happy with that then it's a good time to leave. If you ever let them start with the nickel here and the dime there, you are screwed.
 
mgmelec said:
Thanks for the input guys, customer has decided to pick job apart. no more cans, he'll pull cat5 home runs, how many switches can we eliminate. you know the scenario. now, this once nice job, is quickly becoming a pita. oh well thats business.
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I see more PITA on your horizon here....as in "been there, done that, where's my hair" :D
 
recording studio,

I know you're looking for help on priceing it.
You don't want my estimate.... I give too much away....

But... the studio, power, your doing isolated grounds?
I'm revamping my studio and have been giveing consideration to installing an isolation transformer for the equipment. Do you feel the iso ground receptacles will eliminate noise or is this designed by your potential customer?

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the job does have an isolation transformer, i installed it during the first phase of job. i dont have the specs in front of me but the transformer came as a package deal, prewired with 10 ckt panel. my customer supplied it. all ig receps. are filtered via rf filters in panel.
 
Mgmelec
I went out of my way not to see your price until I came up with mine. I landed at the same exact number as you. It's kind of funny that they're willing to spend all that dough on recording equip. but they cant' afford to pay you a fair wage? I would have cut bait as soon as they started to pick it apart. People like that seem to put more value on gadgets than people. I just finished a job for someone like that who cried poverty the whole project. As soon as they got their TCO there was a brand new flat screen plasma on the wall in 3 out of 3 bedrooms. Those poor folks couln't afford an electrician they had TV's to pay for!
 
TommyC said:
Mgmelec
Those poor folks couln't afford an electrician they had TV's to pay for!
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LMAO.

Sounds the emer. call I went out to on Thurs. night. ....plumbing friend of mine calls me about "sparks from a wire on the water pipe" as he is repairing a frozen water line......he goes on to say " 3rd flr tenant has no power"...I get there, check that unit with no power (panel is DOA)....call a buddy at POCO, he says service terminated for non-payment (go figure ~ they had been w/o power for 4 days in sub-freezing temps)...but there is HUGE plasma TV on the wall. :roll:
 
TommyC said:
Celtic,
Were they keeping warm by the tv? Did you ask them how that thing works without electricity?
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LOL

There was one occupant in that unit when I arrived...I think he was keeping warm by the fire....the fire he was using to light some illegal matter in illegal paraphenalia :D
 
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