Relisting of my Masters license

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electricman999

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Looking for some advice or suggestions. A company is looking to pay me a monthly salary if I would list my masters license with his company. He has 3 fulltime employees with 1 journeyman and 2 apprentices. His business is fairly established but he lost his master electrcian and wants to avoid hiring another because his journeyman will be eligable to test in about 6-9 months but of course that time is currently not running due to him not working under a master right now. I will not be giving up my current full time job that doesnt require my masters and he has indicated I need not be involved with him unless I choose too from time to time. I have known other contractors that have charged a fee to just pull the permits etc. but this seems a little more involved and I wonder if anyone has any thoughts on.....well anything. Reasons to avoid this.....Pros and Cons.... What would you charge for this.....Should I get a contract.....Is this legal or could I risk loosing my license. Times are real tight here in Michigan and my family could use some added finances so I appreciate all replies. Thanks
 
All I can offer is that someone invited me to do a similar thing with my Electrical Administrator's license. I declined because I knew it was against the laws in my State.
 
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The main thing that I can think of and I am not a lawyer but besides being illegal supposedly any job that you file I believe you take all responsibility for any liability associated with that job. If you filed and someone wired something wrong which caused a fire you can be sure that a troop of philadelphia lawyers will be knocking at your door looking to sue you for everything you are worth unless you are a limited liability corporation then they could sue the assets of the corporation I still think that they can go after you personally in a gross negligence case and the corporation is kind of a wall which has to be hurdled first before they can sue you. I do know some people who use the word partnership to get around the selling of a license I dont think that anyone can stop you from becoming a partner with annother electrical contractor and who is to say how much the percent of your partnership in any job is. I would be verry suspect of a contractor who has lost his licence he probably has lost it for a verry good reason other than the song and dance he is giving you right now. I personally would not do it but I do know others who do it on a regular basis for a dollar amount per underwriters certificate. If I had to I would thoughroughly inspect the quality of this electricians work. If you feel comfortable with him it might be no big deal but I certainly wouldnt do it I have too much to loose.
 
If you choose to allow him to use your license just keep in mind that you are ultimatly responsible for all permits pulled under your license. I have pulled permits for friends, but I insist on inspecting the job before the AHJ does. If its not against the law in your state then it really depends on how well you know this guy and how well you know the work that he and his employees perform. If your gonna do it make it worth your while financially- think how much a new E1 would cost him and what your E1 is worth to you. Good Luck!
 
I wouldn't take advice regarding this type of legal matter from anyone other than a qualified lawyer. You have too much at stake. I know it costs money, but in this case, it would be money well spent.
 
"I still think that they can go after you personally in a gross negligence"

Not much can protect you against gross negligence, and loaning a professional license, could easily lead to a gross negligence claim.

"I believe you take all responsibility for any liability associated with that job."

In most states that is how it works, also what insurance company would underwrite anyone that would loan a professional license.

"I do know some people who use the word partnership to get around the selling of a license I dont think that anyone can stop you from becoming a partner"

In my state you can only partner with another licensed contractor, which brings up another big risk, who is going to underwrite the workmans comp. policy for this illegal arrangment, or will you get a big supprise, when years later they seize everything you own, because the guy loaning your license, din't pay workers comp, or even worse din't pay his payroll taxes, after all the permit has your name on it, and your tax Id.

"He has 3 fulltime employees with 1 journeyman and 2 apprentices."

Sounds like he is already pushing the limits, with only 1 Journeyman and 2 apprentices, after he grabs your license, he can put anyone to work, it's not his license.

I think the only up side may be, if someone was on crack, or meth, it may supply them with eniough money untill their brain fried completly.
 
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You are responsible for any work done under your license. You must supervise all work done under your license. The definition of "supervise" can be murky, but it would be hard to say that you supervised this work when you have no contact with the workers and are working full-time someplace else. This is called "fronting your license" and is specifically prohibited in Maryland. It still happens, but if you are caught (in Maryland) your license may be revoked and charges brought against you for fraud and misrepresentation.
This company needs to hire a ful-time Master Electrician or contract with an Electrical Contractor to do their work until their Journeyman gets a Master's License.
 
electricman999 said:
I will not be giving up my current full time job that doesnt require my masters
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Your profile list your occupation as electrical contractor. How is it that this does not require a master's license?
 
growler said:
Your profile list your occupation as electrical contractor. How is it that this does not require a master's license?
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The contractor need not be a Master, as long as he employs one.
 
The best comment here was dont do it.I have seen a few people get burned trying to make an easy buck doing just what your talking about,and remember money and freinds do not mix. If something happened that man would hang you out to dry and wouldnt even bat an eye.And take some good advice talk to a lawyer first.
 
In NC, the only way you could do this is to be a full time employee of the company and you must have control of the work. Having two full time jobs would look suspicious.

If you were caught, there would be consequences.
 
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Renting out your Masters to a Company is very Dangerous. In Colorado you must supervise that companies installations and be working for that company. I know people who have rented out there masters Lic. and have had great success but, it only takes once and then your name is mudd, after all you hold the license not the business owner, that is your name out there. All I can tell you is when I was asked before I started my own was, GO GET YOUR OWN AND EARN IT.
 
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