remove and replace ceiling fixture service call : DECLINED

[wyreman]

pressurized gas pipe, two wire, K&T, afci

To replace an existing ceiling fixture hanging from a pressurized gas pipe hickey, it would be required to:

use an approved box
abandon the old wiring
pull a new circuit w/grnd
install an afci cb
recommend to depressurize and cut out old gas pipe

is this not a hardship?
I can remove the fixture, rebuild it and hang it back on the hickey.
but then it's my liability.

I we put the question of the gas pipe aside, for clarity,
replacing k&t lighting fixtures requires
use an approved box
abandon the old wiring
pull a new circuit w/grnd
install an afci cb


under what circumstances could the existing wiring be preserved?
only if the existing fixture is rebuit and reinstalled, if it was listed - or needed to be listed - at the time.

 

[fmtjfw]

I wouldn't even open a fixture that old (assuming it was incandescent) because when you do, the insulation will probably turn to dust. My wife was a Library Director. She asked me to replace the ancient incandescent light over the circulation deck. I screwed my courage to the sticking point and told her -- NO. Two weeks later I was at the library on a Sunday and observed another guy staring at the bare wires with the insulation powder all over the circulation desk.

 

[wyreman]

To elaborate on that, I had one where the stair light was troubled in an old victorian. The other guy quoted $55k to repair!
He had to redo the entire house :lol:

 

[John120/240]

Just exactly how is wiring installed in a pressurized gas line ? The method I am familiar with would be to use the abandoned gas pipe as a conduit from here to the fixture.

 

[wyreman]

cap it off with a hickey
looks like a whistle

wires come thru the plaster ceiling
junction exposed in the attic

Hey, that was 1920.
Original K&T that was not overloaded,coverd or added to is generally well built.
Theyweren't in a hurry

 

[wyreman]

I was looking for some pictures but you could do it with these.
Doesn't show the whistle type fitting here...
Sometimes the pipe terminates in a box.

I've seen them where the chandelier has been working with both gas and with electric lamps for a long time.

 

[jxofaltrds]

pressurized gas pipe, two wire, K&T, afci

To replace an existing ceiling fixture hanging from a pressurized gas pipe hickey, it would be required to:

use an approved box
abandon the old wiring
pull a new circuit w/grnd
install an afci cb
recommend to depressurize and cut out old gas pipe

is this not a hardship?
I can remove the fixture, rebuild it and hang it back on the hickey.
but then it's my liability.

I we put the question of the gas pipe aside, for clarity,
replacing k&t lighting fixtures requires
use an approved box
abandon the old wiring
pull a new circuit w/grnd
install an afci cb


under what circumstances could the existing wiring be preserved?
only if the existing fixture is rebuit and reinstalled, if it was listed - or needed to be listed - at the time.

View attachment 9625

From Ohio ICC based:

101.3 Intent. The purpose of this code is to establish uniform minimum
requirements for the erection, construction, repair, alteration, and maintenance
of residential buildings, including construction of industrialized units. Such
requirements shall relate to the conservation of energy, safety, and sanitation of
buildings for their intended use and occupancy with consideration for the
following:
1. Performance. Establish such requirements, in terms of performance objectives
for the use intended. Further, the rules shall consider the following:
Please read the following carefully. My note
1.1 The impact that the state residential building code may have upon the
health, safety, and welfare of the public;
1.2 The economic reasonableness of the residential building code;
1.3 The technical feasibility of the residential building code;
1.4 The financial impact that the residential building code may have on the
public's ability to purchase affordable housing.
2. Extent of use. Permit to the fullest extent feasible, the use of materials and
technical methods, devices, and improvements which tend to reduce the cost
of construction without affecting minimum requirements for the health, safety,
and security of the occupants of buildings without preferential treatment of
types or classes of materials or products or methods of construction.

Sad but I bet the AHJ rarely looks at this!