Repair Garage Receptacles

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goldstar

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I'm still doing work at this renovated repair garage. This is a tire/brake/oil change center with no fuel dispensing. There are several existing duplex receptacles that have been painted over that I know I'll have to change at some point but I don't want to do so until the EI tags me for them. The reasons I don't want to make the changes are :
  1. I want the owners to know that they were existing and that I should be paid to make the changes
  2. Not sure if they are required to be GFCI protected or not
  3. There are new pull-down power cords at each car bay and not sure if these are required to be GFCI protected or not
  4. There is a tire balancing, tire installation and brake machine that are all 120V cord and plug attached. I've installed single receptacles for these units and not sure if they are required to be GFCI protected or not.

If any of you have opinions on these items I'd appreciate knowing them. Thanks.
 
goldstar said:
I'm still doing work at this renovated repair garage. This is a tire/brake/oil change center with no fuel dispensing. There are several existing duplex receptacles that have been painted over that I know I'll have to change at some point but I don't want to do so until the EI tags me for them. The reasons I don't want to make the changes are :
  1. I want the owners to know that they were existing and that I should be paid to make the changes
  2. Not sure if they are required to be GFCI protected or not
  3. There are new pull-down power cords at each car bay and not sure if these are required to be GFCI protected or not
  4. There is a tire balancing, tire installation and brake machine that are all 120V cord and plug attached. I've installed single receptacles for these units and not sure if they are required to be GFCI protected or not.

If any of you have opinions on these items I'd appreciate knowing them. Thanks.
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What edition of the NEC are you working under?

210.8(B)(8) requires receptacles in Garages, service bays, and similar areas other than vehicle exhibition halls and showrooms to be GFCI Protected.

The reason that I asked what edition of the NEC you are under is that the 2014 NEC requires all 125 volt 15 and 20 amp receptacles to be GFCI Protected.

Where as the 2017 requires All single-phase receptacles rated 150 volts to ground or less, 50 amperes or less and three phase receptacles rated 150 volts to ground or less, 100 amperes or less installed in the following locations shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.

Chris
 
raider1 said:
What edition of the NEC are you working under?

210.8(B)(8) requires receptacles in Garages, service bays, and similar areas other than vehicle exhibition halls and showrooms to be GFCI Protected.

The reason that I asked what edition of the NEC you are under is that the 2014 NEC requires all 125 volt 15 and 20 amp receptacles to be GFCI Protected.

Where as the 2017 requires All single-phase receptacles rated 150 volts to ground or less, 50 amperes or less and three phase receptacles rated 150 volts to ground or less, 100 amperes or less installed in the following locations shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel.

Chris
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So, I had the inspection today and for the most part I passed all the work that I had done and you were right on the $$$ Chris. However, there were many existing receptacles that the EI said I had to make GFCI protected. In addition, all the "pull-down" cords had to be made GFCI protected. What I was initially a bit taken back by was that I had installed single receptacles for the tire installation, balancing and brake machines (all of which were 120V) and he claimed that they also had to be GFCI protected. I wasn't about to argue about $60 or $70 worth of material and receptacles that will take all of 20 minutes to change out. The more I thought about it the more I realized that although the machines aren't exactly mobile they're also not anchored to the floor. So, I guess hie was correct in citing that. Anyone else have any other opinions ?
 
goldstar said:
So, I had the inspection today and for the most part I passed all the work that I had done and you were right on the $$$ Chris. However, there were many existing receptacles that the EI said I had to make GFCI protected. In addition, all the "pull-down" cords had to be made GFCI protected. What I was initially a bit taken back by was that I had installed single receptacles for the tire installation, balancing and brake machines (all of which were 120V) and he claimed that they also had to be GFCI protected. I wasn't about to argue about $60 or $70 worth of material and receptacles that will take all of 20 minutes to change out. The more I thought about it the more I realized that although the machines aren't exactly mobile they're also not anchored to the floor. So, I guess hie was correct in citing that. Anyone else have any other opinions ?
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Unless NJ has an amendment to 210.8(B) that permits a single receptacle located in the space behind a dedicated appliance to not be GFCI protected the Inspector was correct. There used to be an allowance for a single receptacle located behind an appliance to not be GFCI protected but that allowance was eliminated in the 2008 NEC.

Chris
 
raider1 said:
Unless NJ has an amendment to 210.8(B) that permits a single receptacle located in the space behind a dedicated appliance to not be GFCI protected the Inspector was correct. There used to be an allowance for a single receptacle located behind an appliance to not be GFCI protected but that allowance was eliminated in the 2008 NEC.

Chris
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NJ has retained the exception for the single receptacle that was part of the NEC until 2008.
 
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