Replacing receptacles at assisted living residences

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Hendrix said:
Do the replacements have to be TR?
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Typically you're permitted to replace defective devices with like or similar devices which does not in and of itself trigger any "new work" clause. You're simply restoring to a pre-existing condition. Check with your building/electrical official. If it were up to me, I'd say "no". :smile:
 
wbalsam1 said:
Typically you're permitted to replace defective devices with like or similar devices which does not in and of itself trigger any "new work" clause. You're simply restoring to a pre-existing condition. Check with your building/electrical official. If it were up to me, I'd say "no". :smile:
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I agree and I would say no as well.
 
Hendrix said:
Do the replacements have to be TR?
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Depends on who's paying the bill. :D

If you're the maintenance guy, your paycheck is partly tied into not spending money... replace it with a regular receptacle.

If you're a contractor or an employee of a contractor, your paycheck is partly tied into selling material... replace it with a TR. You wouldn't replace an old receptacle next to a sink and not install a GFCI, would you?
 
So if you guys where to change an old bathoom receptacle you do not feel a GFCI would be? required


In my personal opinion the new receptacles are in fact new work and would have to be TR along with complying with 406.3(D).

I can see an AHJ going either way and for that reason I recommend that Hendrix either use TRs or talk with the inspector before going with regular.
 
iwire said:
So if you guys where to change an old bathoom receptacle you do not feel a GFCI would be? required


In my personal opinion the new receptacles are in fact new work and would have to be TR along with complying with 406.3(D).

I can see an AHJ going either way and for that reason I recommend that Hendrix either use TRs or talk with the inspector before going with regular.
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I agree iwire that Hendrix should check with the AHJ. What if you had a bad 2-wire receptacle with no ground present would you install a gfic or a 3-wire and a ground wire or just replace the 2-wire receptacle with another 2-wire receptacle? Do they make a 2-wire TR?:smile:
 
SEO said:
What if you had a bad 2-wire receptacle with no ground present would you install a gfic or a 3-wire and a ground wire or just replace the 2-wire receptacle with another 2-wire receptacle? Do they make a 2-wire TR?:smile:
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There is no question I have to comply with 406.3(D) and now if the receptacle happens to also be in a spot that requires TR IMO I have to do that as well.

So in your example I would install a TR GFCI marked "No Equipment Ground"
 
iwire said:
There is no question I have to comply with 406.3(D) and now if the receptacle happens to also be in a spot that requires TR IMO I have to do that as well.

So in your example I would install a TR GFCI marked "No Equipment Ground"
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That would be the best way to solve the problem.:smile:
 
iwire said:
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In my personal opinion the new receptacles are in fact new work and would have to be TR along with complying with 406.3(D). .......
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I'll have to agree with respect to receptacles due to a provision within our Residential Code of NYS at Appendix J ?AJ407.1 exception 1. which states: "Replacement of electrical receptacles shall comply with the applicable requirements of Chapter 38 of this code", which at 3802.1 requires GFCI-protected receptacles in bathrooms. :)

I'd have to look further to see if this occupancy (assisted living) is SFD.
 
I'd have to look further to see if this occupancy (assisted living) is SFD.[/QUOTE]

That, I think, is the major concideration. The folks that live there are older and sometimes have problems plugging into a regular receptacle.
BTW how did GFCI's enter the equasion?:confused::confused:
 
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