Required Outlet 680.22 (A)(3) 2008 distance reduction?

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frizbeedog

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Reviewing the article today for an installation of an outdoor hot tub and noticed the required receptacle, "not less than" distance, had been reduced to 6' from the previous 10'

Not that I'm complaining or anything....

Looked for an explaination but haven't found one yet.
 
this change makes no sense to me, so if an appliance has a 6ft cord it can sit right on the edge of the pool, i guess so you can change the radio station without getting out of the pool, but if you have a pump motor receptacle between 6ft & 10ft it must be a twistlock, what am i missing
 
mpd said:
this change makes no sense to me, so if an appliance has a 6ft cord it can sit right on the edge of the pool, i guess so you can change the radio station without getting out of the pool, but if you have a pump motor receptacle between 6ft & 10ft it must be a twistlock, what am i missing


So extension cord police exist? People are going to do whatever they feel like doing anyways.
 
stickboy

no problem, my point was just why move the receptacle closer and create a possible hazard especially around a pool
 
mpd said:
stickboy

no problem, my point was just why move the receptacle closer and create a possible hazard especially around a pool
i dont think it creates a hazard. if there is a GFCI and the pool is properly bonded according to the 2008 code then there is no risk for safety hazards . im not sure why they changed that rule either
 
stickboy1375 said:
Actually your post is pretty good, I dont have a 2008 so I didnt know of the change, but the answer to your question would be nice as well.

I keep forgetting that some are behind in the code cycles.

....a heads up then?
 
frizbeedog said:
Reviewing the article today for an installation of an outdoor hot tub and noticed the required receptacle, "not less than" distance, had been reduced to 6' from the previous 10'

Not that I'm complaining or anything....

Looked for an explaination but haven't found one yet.

What type of article ? a press release, a job spec? Oh wait your said article, the newspaper, "Time" maybe, or popular mechanics ? :smile:
 
Not sure when they ,... see red highlight,..did that



17-85a Log #CP1707 NEC-P17

Final Action: Accept



(680.22, 680.34, 680.43, 680.62 and 680.71)


____________________________________________________________

Submitter:

Code-Making Panel 17,




Recommendation:
Change 680.22(A)(1) to read as follows:


??shall be located at least 3.0m (10 ft) from the inside walls of the pool, or

not less than 1.83 m (6 ft) from the inside walls of the pool if they meet the
following??
Change 680.22 (A)(2) to read as follows:
?Other receptacles shall be not less than 1.83 m.(6 ft.) from the inside walls of
a pool.?
Change 680.22(A)(3) to read as follows:
?? a general purpose branch circuit shall be located not less than 1.83 m (6
ft) and not more than 6.0 m (20 ft) from the inside wall??
Delete 680.22(A)(4)
Renumber 680.22(A)(5) and (6) to be (4) and (5)
Change 680.34 to read as follows:
?Receptacles shall not be located less than 1.83 m (6 ft.) from the inside
walls???
hange 680.43(A) to read as follows:
??receptacle on a general purpose branch circuit shall be located not less
than 1.83 m (6 ft.) and not exceeding 3.0 m (10 ft) from??
Change 680.43(A)(1) to read as follows:
?Receptacles shall be located at least 1.83 m (6 ft) measured horizontally??
Change 680.62(E) to read as follows:
?All receptacles within 1.83 m (6 ft) of a therapeutic tub shall be protected by
a ground-fault circuit interrupter.?
Change 680.71 to read as follows:
??all 125-volt, single-phase receptacles not exceeding 30 amperes and
located within 1.83 m (6 ft) measured horizontally of the inside walls of a
hydromassage tub be protected by a ground-fault circuit interrupter(s).?

Substantiation:

The panel changed 5 ft to 6 ft and 10 ft to 6 ft for receptacle



locations relative to distance to water to ensure consistency throughout Article

680. The 10 ft has been in the Code for many years, previous to the
introduction of GFCI devices. The panel determined that 6 ft is sufficient. 6 ft
correlates with standard power supply cord lengths.

Panel Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 11
Ballot Results:

Affirmative: 11


____________________________________________________________




 
cadpoint said:
What type of article ? a press release, a job spec? Oh wait your said article, the newspaper, "Time" maybe, or popular mechanics ? :smile:

Very Funny Cad.. :)

I assume you read the thread title. Mabey? Yes? :D
 
M. D. said:
Not sure when they ,... see red highlight,..did that

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I knew you'd be here. :wink:

Thanks. I always thought it funny that my disco could be at 5' and the recep had to be at 10'

Now I can place my disco at six?...and the recep. right next to it. :cool:

For convienience?
 
well if the receptacle is for the pump it will have to
(1) consist of single receptacle(s)

(2) employ a locking configuration

(Note,..If it is for the radio a straight blade parallel will be fine, in fact you can ring the pool with them as long as they are not for circulation and sanitation systems)

(3) be of the grounding type

(4) have GFCI protection
 
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