Resi grade devices

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I usualy sign things TY. TY, Todd, Luke, whatever.

The Luke thing was a joke played on me by my buddy back when the Forum changed to this format.
He also had it Ben Dover.

For a few days, you could change your member name, then they took that feature out.
 
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Originally posted by luke warmwater:
The Luke thing was a joke played on me by my buddy back when the Forum changed to this format.
He also had it Ben Dover.

For a few days, you could change your member name, then they took that feature out.
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I guess you are glad that feature was not pulled while you where Ben Dover. :D
 
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Originally posted by peter d:
I have had bad luck with Leviton residential grade devices lately, especially 3 ways going bad, GFCI's twisting and flexing when the screws are tightened, and switches with a "mushy" feeling.
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I avoid Leviton products. I don't like how they are designed, and I've had too many of them fall apart in my hands.

I'm a big fan of P&S products. They are designed and built well. Also, the Evil Orange Empire doesn't sell them, so I get the added benefit of getting to buy them elsewhere. I like to let my clients know I only use high-quality devices, and they seem to like my philosophy. If I run across someone who insists on pinching every last penny and wants Leviton installed instead, I'll wish them luck in finding another contractor. I won't install something for a client that I wouldn't install in my own house.
 
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Originally posted by bigjohn67:
Since he banned using drills to terminate wires on devices he has had no problems with having faulty devices.

Do you think his may be your situation?
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No, most of the time I tighten the device screws by hand. However, I do use a screw gun on occasion and have had no problems with that method.
 
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This is how I have solved the problem: I am going to stop buying Leviton, with the exception of a select few items. I'm switching over to Cooper and P&S.
 
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Originally posted by luke warmwater:
Peter,

I buy P&S devices by the cases.

I prefer their lexan wall plates too.
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I like P&S devices also. They seem to have 2 types of nonmetallic wall plates, TPxxx and SPxxx for the part numbers. Which of these is the lexan plates you prefer? I couldn't find either one called lexan on their web site. What specifically do you like about the wall plates?
 
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Originally posted by paul32:
I like P&S devices also. They seem to have 2 types of nonmetallic wall plates, TPxxx and SPxxx for the part numbers. Which of these is the lexan plates you prefer? I couldn't find either one called lexan on their web site. What specifically do you like about the wall plates?
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I think the TP (Trademaster) series is nylon/lexan(?). I have used them a few times and they are very nice. They don't break and they are slightly oversized which is also a very good feature.

The SP series is the standard grade bakelite (brittle) plastic.

Given a choice I will use the nylon plates.
 
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We use the Trademaster (TP) series.

Lexan is a thermoplastic polycarbonate resin.

The TP series are virtually indestructable, their colors match the devices perfectly, and they are slightly larer than standard wall plates.

The single toggle and duplex plates come with the screws installed
 
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The P&S site says the TP series is nylon like Peter said, but whatever the material you both like them. I'm not sure I care about the oversized part. If the drywallers do a good job (and meet the code requirement :) ) they wouldn't be needed. I like the unbreakable part, as I have broken a standard wall plate. But because they are flexible, they aren't flat when installed (indented) if the screws are tight. I think that looks a little funny, but maybe most homeowners don't notice.
 
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they aren't flat when installed (indented) if the screws are tight.
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No need to dog down the screws that much.
Edit to my view of P&S. They stink. Reasons why? GFCI terminals strip out way to easy, especially with #12. Also, their "Quick click" boxes don't hold a device tight.

[ March 24, 2005, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: electricmanscott ]
 
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Scott I agree with you about the quick click boxes and don't normally use them.

I remembered your post about the GFCI screws, so, I went to one of our finals the other day and personally installed all of the GFCI receptacles in that house. There were 7.

I know that's just 7, but none had the screw stripping-out problem you mention. I stopped by a job today and installed 2 more and they didn't strip out either. So that's 9 in the last 2 days.

Maybe there was a 'bad batch of screws'
 
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Originally posted by electricmanscott:
[Also, their "Quick click" boxes don't hold a device tight.
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Well, they are good if you like coming back to a job and seeing devices hanging out of the boxes.
(Yes, this actually happened. :mad: )

I agree, they are garbage.
 
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