Residential garage 210.11 (C)4

[dm9289]

the code states that you must have 1 20 amp circuit for garages. Directly after it states this shall have no other outlets??????

So does this mean no garage door opener?
garage interior and exterior lights?
Receptacles for general garage use?
Man door entry light?
I am guessing garage bay receptacle OK

 

[kwired]

it says you must have at least one 20 amp circuit supplying receptacle outlets in the garage. No other outlets permitted would mean anything that is not a garage receptacle is not permitted on this circuit.

If you ran more than one circuit to loads in the garage, only one of them has to comply with this. The other(s) could even be 15 amp circuits and supply just about anything you wish within other general requirements.

 

[infinity]

What does is say in 210.52(G)(1)?

 

[dm9289]

What does is say in 210.52(G)(1)?

I see the one per bay but can that be on the garage circuit my belief is yes

 

[dm9289]

it says you must have at least one 20 amp circuit supplying receptacle outlets in the garage. No other outlets permitted would mean anything that is not a garage receptacle is not permitted on this circuit.

If you ran more than one circuit to loads in the garage, only one of them has to comply with this. The other(s) could even be 15 amp circuits and supply just about anything you wish within other general requirements.

Ok so what your saying is receptacle outlets only.
Lighting different circuit
Still a little unclear on garage opener

 

[kwired]

What does is say in 210.52(G)(1)?

That is also a thing that comes up depending on which year applies. 2017 doesn't mention this, 2020 added that reference and would make 210.11(C)(4) only apply to the at least one receptacle mentioned in each vehicle bay, so two car garage at least one receptacle in each bay per 210.52(G)(1) needs to be on a 20 amp circuit, can both be on same circuit or can be on separate circuits. once at least one in each bay is achieved on a 20 amp circuit with no other outlets, everything else can be on other circuits.

 

[kwired]

Ok so what your saying is receptacle outlets only.
Lighting different circuit
Still a little unclear on garage opener

Still on 2017 here, didn't really make me change what I usually do, other than needing to watch that "no other outlets" thing a little more carefully. I almost always put garage receptacles on 20 amp circuits in past, now definitely must have at least one 20 amp circuit regardless. Lighting in attached garages especially I generally have always put on 15 amp circuit with other adjacent area lighting.

2020, with the reference to 210.52(G)(1) now the garage door operator(s) can not be on this required circuit.

 

[dm9289]

That is also a thing that comes up depending on which year applies. 2017 doesn't mention this, 2020 added that reference and would make 210.11(C)(4) only apply to the at least one receptacle mentioned in each vehicle bay, so two car garage at least one receptacle in each bay per 210.52(G)(1) needs to be on a 20 amp circuit, can both be on same circuit or can be on separate circuits. once at least one in each bay is achieved on a 20 amp circuit with no other outlets, everything else can be on other circuits.

2017 in PA

 

[dm9289]

Still on 2017 here, didn't really make me change what I usually do, other than needing to watch that "no other outlets" thing a little more carefully. I almost always put garage receptacles on 20 amp circuits in past, now definitely must have at least one 20 amp circuit regardless. Lighting in attached garages especially I generally have always put on 15 amp circuit with other adjacent area lighting.

2020, with the reference to 210.52(G)(1) now the garage door operator(s) can not be on this required circui

I guess a 1/2hp opener might be about 10amps so i guess it makes sense. Lighting looks like lot of options just not garage circuit

 

[Little Bill]

I guess a 1/2hp opener might be about 10amps so i guess it makes sense. Lighting looks like lot of options just not garage circuit

You won't find any openers today that pull that kind of current. Most are DC motors and only pull a few amps.

What does is say in 210.52(G)(1)?

For those that don't have the 2020 (still on earlier versions) what does 210.52(G) say?

 

[wwhitney]

For those that don't have the 2020 (still on earlier versions) what does 210.52(G) say?

You can easily read it here, no NFPA login required, no image only interface. [I picked Alabama as the alphabetically first state for which up.codes says their electrical code is the unamended 2020 NEC.]

https://up.codes/viewer/alabama/nfpa-70-2020/chapter/2/wiring-and-protection#210.52_(G)

Cheers, Wayne

 

[kwired]

You won't find any openers today that pull that kind of current. Most are DC motors and only pull a few amps.

For those that don't have the 2020 (still on earlier versions) what does 210.52(G) say?

2017 says same thing as 2020, but in 2017 210.11(C)(4) does not restrict you to 210.52(G) for receptacles that can be on this 20 amp circuit. So garage door opener would been allowed in 2017 but not 2020, unless it would happen to be less than 5-1/2 feet above the floor.

 

[dm9289]

You won't find any openers today that pull that kind of current. Most are DC motors and only pull a few amps.

For those that don't have the 2020 (still on earlier versions) what does 210.52(G) say?

I still have the older 1/2hp lol

 

[dm9289]

You can easily read it here, no NFPA login required, no image only interface. [I picked Alabama as the alphabetically first state for which up.codes says their electrical code is the unamended 2020 NEC.]

https://up.codes/viewer/alabama/nfpa-70-2020/chapter/2/wiring-and-protection#210.52_(G)

Cheers, Wayne

Wow thats nice that you can see that free

 

[tom baker]

I still have the older 1/2hp lol

Maybe not yours, but garage door openers, air compressors and vacuum cleaners have motors with hp ratings that inflated from industry standards, or perhaps they are locked rotor readings. The tell is to look at the nameplate

 

[kwired]

Maybe not yours, but garage door openers, air compressors and vacuum cleaners have motors with hp ratings that inflated from industry standards, or perhaps they are locked rotor readings. The tell is to look at the nameplate

Even if not inflated ratings, not very often does a properly or even reasonably adjusted garage door need 1/2 Hp to move it. The springs if adjusted correctly should make it so little effort is needed to move the door.

Plus when it comes to potentially overload the circuit - they only run for a few seconds, so unless you have fully loaded circuit before operating the door, chances are it doesn't pull enough current for long enough (at least a single door) to trip the breaker.

 

[kwired]

Even if not inflated ratings, not very often does a properly or even reasonably adjusted garage door need 1/2 Hp to move it. The springs if adjusted correctly should make it so little effort is needed to move the door.

Plus when it comes to potentially overload the circuit - they only run for a few seconds, so unless you have fully loaded circuit before operating the door, chances are it doesn't pull enough current for long enough (at least a single door) to trip the breaker.

Something else to consider is that it very likely isn't a continuous rated motor to begin with. By nature of the use of the machine it wouldn't have to be.

 

[James L]

it says you must have at least one 20 amp circuit supplying receptacle outlets in the garage. No other outlets permitted would mean anything that is not a garage receptacle is not permitted on this circuit.

Readily accessible exterior receptacles are allowed on the required 20-amp circuit