Residential Panel 15 foot rule

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shock me

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In the area I work most towns use the 15 foot rule. If your indoor main panel is more than 15 feet from your outdoor meter entrance you most use a meter with a main breaker in it. Is this covered in the NEC?
 

bennie

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The only place that indicates a specific length for unfused conductors is in Article 366.

366.3 The maximum length of an auxiliary gutter is 30 feet. This suggests that conductors can be the same length.
 

tom baker

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This is not covered in the NEC except as Bennie mentions. Its a local regulation. In Washington State it is 15ft, and the type of raceway is restricted.
 

bill addiss

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Shock Me,

Look at 230.70(A)(1) for the general rule on this. Basically it just says it must be a Readily Accessible Location ... "nearest the point of entrance of the service conductors". This means different things to different people. On Long Island it could be called the '5 foot rule'. :)

Bill
 

iwire

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Here in MA it seems we have the "5' rule" also, even though 5' does not apear in the book.
 
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a.wayne3@verizon.net

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OK here we can underslab a house and set a meter no disconnect and run pvc to the panel... like a back to back, it is the first point of entry at the panel so IE: main breaker panel......havent been tagged yet............ any thoughts
 

roger

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Allen, your installation would fall under 230.6 and is perfectly legal.

Roger
 

cm

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Where I live this is a gray area the dicision is left up to the inspector,the unwritten rule is 3 ft on residential, I have seen more unfused wire permitted where its in grs or where the construction method is masonary or steel in commercial work. My brother bought a condo in buefort county sc they accepted 45 ft in stick frame construction, pretty scary ever seen a screw driven thru 2 phases ,or a phase and neutral that are not fused .When we asked why they said that aint the way we do it in buefort county.
 

charlie b

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Originally posted by a.wayne3@verizon.net: OK here we can underslab a house and set a meter no disconnect and run pvc to the panel ... any thoughts?
As Tom mentioned, Washington State requires a disconnect within 15 feet of entering a building. However, if you encase your service conductors in concrete, the 15 foot limit does not start until the conduit pops up out of the concrete. So you can go 100 feet or more into a building by putting the conduit in the slab, pop up into the electric room, and then go 15 more feet to the first disconnect. Is that similar to what you are describing?
 
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a.wayne3@verizon.net

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CM are you saying they used ser from the meter to the panel with no disc. and a mbpanel...........
 

tshea

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Wisconsin
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State of Wisconsin is 8' per COMM 16.25 (4)(a)dated 1999. (current edition)
exception: Can exceed if Service Entrance busway is used.
The 8' starts at the point where the raceway or conductors pass through the outer surface of the building.
 
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