Residential Splice Kit?

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Is there an approved splice kit for residential use to bury in a wall, similar to the underground style splice Kit. I have a project that is all new lighting throughout home , the ceilings are gutted but all walls are intact. There are some changes with the cathedral ceilings that has made a need for a splice kit versus running a new home run.

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ek_cte said:
Is there an approved splice kit for residential use to bury in a wall, similar to the underground style splice Kit. I have a project that is all new lighting throughout home , the ceilings are gutted but all walls are intact. There are some changes with the cathedral ceilings that has made a need for a splice kit versus running a new home run.

Thanks
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The reason for having your connections in junction boxes is at leadt twofold:
The first is to protect the walls from burning if the connection loosens and starts to arch. The second is to have accessibility to the connecetion. If the wire does come loose and you loose part of the circuit, then at least there is a place to start your hunting. Buried behind the walls means the splice will never get found again and the potential for fire. Tell the builder you need to put a jb with a blank plate that is accessible as minuteman has said.
 
There is a splice that manufactured housing uses. When they go bad, we find them in floors, walls, ceilings. Real pleasure to work with .:mad: I do not know if they have been properly used at time of installation or just thrown in the _____ and covered before any inspector notices. They take a special tool to use.
 
ptonsparky said:
There is a splice that manufactured housing uses. When they go bad, we find them in floors, walls, ceilings. Real pleasure to work with .:mad: I do not know if they have been properly used at time of installation or just thrown in the _____ and covered before any inspector notices. They take a special tool to use.
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http://www.smarthome.com/7104.html

Do they look like this, and does anyone use these?


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ptonsparky said:
There is a splice that manufactured housing uses. When they go bad, we find them in floors, walls, ceilings. Real pleasure to work with .:mad: I do not know if they have been properly used at time of installation or just thrown in the _____ and covered before any inspector notices. They take a special tool to use.
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IMO,that connection would still have to be accessible.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
IMO,that connection would still have to be accessible.
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I agree but not in the conventional sense of a box cover showing.

Check out 2005 300.15(H) and 334.40(B) it looks like those taps can get fished into place in existing buildings.
 
iwire said:
I agree but not in the conventional sense of a box cover showing.
Check out 2005 300.15(H) and 334.40(B) it looks like those taps can get fished into place in existing buildings.
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You say you agree and then you show me an article that says I am incorrect. I am confused.
If I am reading this correctly you do not need access to the splicing device. I have seen these go bad and had to replace one under a modular home. I used the tradition box and plate. If it is fished in the wall and it starts to arch ( as the one I repaired had done) then there is still possibility of fire.
 
The device shown in Tom's link is a Molex Self-Contained Power Connector. Other manufacturers (such as Amp) make similar devices. No special tool is needed to install them, just a pair of pliers. We use a lot of these in our motorhomes.

The latch on the T-shaped tap connector breaks easily. Other than that, these devices seem to be pretty reliable if they're installed correctly.

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We use them from time to time. Some my guys like 'em & some (old timer) don't. I'm not convinced that it is ok to conceal them though. If they are installed properly I can't see them as a fire hazard.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
You say you agree and then you show me an article that says I am incorrect. I am confused.
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I think what that article is saying is that they can be snaked into place in existing buildings. Anything that is snaked in should be able to be pulled back out so you could get to it if you had to, just not as easily as a box and cover.

I don't think we can open a wall up, install this tap and then patch the wall up.
 
iwire said:
I think what that article is saying is that they can be snaked into place in existing buildings. Anything that is snaked in should be able to be pulled back out so you could get to it if you had to, just not as easily as a box and cover.

I don't think we can open a wall up, install this tap and then patch the wall up.
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I am not sure that is what it is saying either. An underground splice kit could be snaked in a wall and IMO would be safer, however, we know we can't do that. In either case I think its a bad idea. If I can fish that connector down a wall and have access to it, then I could put a jb where my access point is and there'd be no issue. I wonder what they are thinking.
 
In my youth I worked with them in the modular factory.I know they can be installed in a wall cavity with no access as long as installed per Mfg. Instructions.If I remember correctly it requires them to be nailed in place through holes provided in the device.But never did like the idea,But they were approved for this application.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I am not sure that is what it is saying either. An underground splice kit could be snaked in a wall and IMO would be safer, however, we know we can't do that.
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Not listed for the purpose.

If I can fish that connector down a wall and have access to it, then I could put a jb where my access point is and there'd be no issue.
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You would need a code exception to allow the box being unsecured.
 
If the ceilings are all off it should be possible to fish the new runs into the walls with minimal damage. They need to patch the wall to ceiling joint any how. What is being saved by not taking the next step and doing the job correctly?
 
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