Retrofit 6 inch can with LED light/trim - 12 ft ceiling and require task lighting for kitchen

[vrema01]

Retrofit 6 inches can with LED light/trim - 12 ft ceiling and require task lighting for kitchen.

I am researching and testing out different retrofit kits to replace the LED spot bulbs I have in a kitchen, and I am challenged with getting an equivalent output to the lights in place. I have tried HALO retrofit from HD, but it doesn't throw enough light down from 12 feet, and any other retrofit unit I have tried has the same issue. I want to replace the trim if possible, but after my research, I think retrofit with trim might not work if I can't get the light beam to travel far enough.

I am looking for advice. The client wants a 4,000K color, but I need to get the beam to travel to the floor for task lighting.

 

[augie47]

(approved as not "electrical" per se)

 

[LarryFine]

I think that LED trims are edge-lit, and you probably need reflector bulbs.

 

[retirede]

If LED bulbs in the existing cans provide the desired illumination, what’s the reason for replacing them?

That may influence answers to your query.

 

[James L]

If you want the light to throw, you need a COB with reflector. Look at this 6-inch trim from WAC

It's 1200 lumens, and should be awesome from.12 feet

Amazon.com

It's a gimbal, which means you can pivot it - although you don't have to

 

[wwhitney]

Isn't this just a question of picking the correct number of lumens and beam angle per light?

E.g. if this is a row of lights over a counter, and you just want to illuminate the counter, then a narrow beam angle would put more of the light on the counter, less farther out. That would need to be balanced against the spacing of the lights in the ceiling, as you don't want dark spots along the run of the counter.

Then once you have that figured out, you know what fraction of the light's output will end up on the work surface. That lets you figure out how many lumens per light you need to get the desired level of foot-candles at the work surface. Unless there's something I'm missing.

BTW, for applications like this, are there products available that would put out a non-radially symmetric pattern, more like a rectangle, so you could put more of the light on the work surface?

Cheers, Wayne

 

[mopowr steve]

I’ve seen some retrofit manufacturers that offer “ high out-put “ led trims. Look into those, I think they are mor on the range of being equivalent to 90-120 watt bulbs.

 

[farmantenna]

If you want the light to throw, you need a COB with reflector. Look at this 6-inch trim from WAC

It's 1200 lumens, and should be awesome from.12 feet

Amazon.com

It's a gimbal, which means you can pivot it - although you don't have to

those look good for $24 and would be bright enough at 12'. They're 3k though but 4K might be available

 

[tthh]

What's wrong with pain ol' Philips 65W equiv or 100W equiv R30's in the can?

 

[James L]

those look good for $24 and would be bright enough at 12'. They're 3k though but 4K might be available

Last month I finished a whole house with that same style in Utilitech from Lowes. The were color selectable 5cct, but only about 700 lumens

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Utilitech-Canless-Gimbal-Color-Choice-Integrated-LED-5-in-or-6-in-65-Watt-EQ-White-Round-Dimmable-Canless-Recessed-DownLight/1001771998?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-lit-_-ggl-_-LIA_LIT_143_Light-Bulbs-and-Commercial-Lighting-_-1001771998-_-0-_-0-_-0&ds_rl=1286981&gclid=Cj0KCQiA7oyNBhDiARIsADtGRZZDfBEGtp_eLR1ubW6VNeofkS4tAB3pF88XJ8-2oNSwLyhAreYRZyQaAnc3EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[Amps]

I have installed many of these LED Recessed in old work projects. I like that they can fit under ceiling joists. Bright also.

 

[Flicker Index]

Filament PAR lamps were costly since the conical shaped back is actually parabolic shaped precision optics. The coned part of LED lamps are only for aesthetics and its only function is to provide internal space to host the ballast.

Today's BR LED floods just have a disc with a bunch of 1/2W LED elements and a frosted plastic cover over it. A PAR equivalent would have a lens insert that looks like a blister pack bubbles that go over each LED element to collimate the light. What you're likely looking for is the recessed bugeye or swivel spotlight which uses an egg-yolk sized COB (an LED element made up of a cluster of flea sized LED chips grouped together in a circle of fluorescent phosphor blend). It's basically a corded flashlight on a swivel so you can aim it at the task.

 

[ptonsparky]

Task lighting @12’ seems a bit much to ask for.

 

[James L]

Task lighting @12’ seems a bit much to ask for.

It's really not

 

[Another C10]

The client wants a 4,000K color, but I need to get the beam to travel to the floor for task lighting.

I'm sold on the feit 1290L

 

[Another C10]

but only about 700 lumens

When designing, Lumens is my main concern then I'll let the client know it gets progressively dimmer as other choices kick in.

High Lumen with a dimmer, will always make a happy customer.

 

[tthh]

Most of the Feit's I have tried have an unacceptable turn on delay. I just can't.

 

[James L]

High Lumen with a dimmer, will always make a happy customer.

Ideally, yes. When I used those 700lm Utilitech, it was the customer who picked them for aesthetics

 

[Flicker Index]

Most of the Feit's I have tried have an unacceptable turn on delay. I just can't.

Some of that has to do with reducing inrush current in order to prevent stress on dimmer and to reduce the risk of LED ballast blow-out