Romex or MC cable?
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Re: Romex or MC cable?
See Section 334.10 Uses Permitted.
See Section 334.10 Uses Permitted.
ryan_618
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- Salt Lake City, Utah
Re: Romex or MC cable?
I agrtee with Lanowets. According to the ICC electrical Code, you could do this. Most states, however, do not adopt it.
I agrtee with Lanowets. According to the ICC electrical Code, you could do this. Most states, however, do not adopt it.
Re: Romex or MC cable?
The last job i was at was a 4 story 401 room hotel/water park. (pa.),It was allowed the use of romex/pvc boxes in the hotel section only.It was required to be behind fire rated walls/ceilings,No exposed romex at all. All transitions had to be emt, mc or greenfield.Romex in greenfield (watch your derating) from fire rated ceilings to drop ceilings in order to hit the exit signs etc.was allowed.I think 2002 took out the over three floors rules to behind fire rated walls.
The pvc boxes i was referring to were actually fiber boxes.Big time junk,the screw holes strip very easy.
Rick
The last job i was at was a 4 story 401 room hotel/water park. (pa.),It was allowed the use of romex/pvc boxes in the hotel section only.It was required to be behind fire rated walls/ceilings,No exposed romex at all. All transitions had to be emt, mc or greenfield.Romex in greenfield (watch your derating) from fire rated ceilings to drop ceilings in order to hit the exit signs etc.was allowed.I think 2002 took out the over three floors rules to behind fire rated walls.
The pvc boxes i was referring to were actually fiber boxes.Big time junk,the screw holes strip very easy.
Rick
electricmanscott
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Re: Romex or MC cable?
What's wrong with romex?
Re: Romex or MC cable?
In every hi-rise I have ever worked on (albiet commercial by nature), absolutely NO romex allowed - except temp light/power.
BX/AC, MC, Conduit were used.
[ February 12, 2006, 10:06 AM: Message edited by: celtic ]
I'm going to out on a limb here and give a flat out: NO - not in NJ.
In every hi-rise I have ever worked on (albiet commercial by nature), absolutely NO romex allowed - except temp light/power.
BX/AC, MC, Conduit were used.
[ February 12, 2006, 10:06 AM: Message edited by: celtic ]
electricmanscott
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- Boston, MA
Re: Romex or MC cable?
Lots of lead paint snacks as a youngster. Yum!
Re: Romex or MC cable?
John
Actually, from what I've been told by a local inspector, NJ has excluded 334.12, Uses not permitted, from the last several times they've adopted the new code! This means you can still use romex "exposed in dropped or suspended ceilings ..." in New Jersey. There may be local codes that prevent you from using it in high rises, but I don't believe that decision is coming from the folks in Trenton. In fact, there must be some local ordinances against it, or else they would be shipping all the world's romex to Jersey City!
John
Re: Romex or MC cable?
A long time ago, I did work in the Trust Company building on Journal Square. After the contractor and I parted ways - an "investigator" of some sort "interviewed" me. The question that needed answering:
"Had I ever installed, or been instructed to install, any Romex in the TCNJ building?"
I had never installed any, or been instructed to install any - yet there were miles of it in the building (ceilings/walls). I am of the opinion that Ziggy Wilzig (real name) who owned the TCNJ and the building (and whose name now adorns the new Medical Center downtown) sold the business and assets. As a term of sale, all properties were given an inspection and the TCNJ building on the Square "failed" due to the Romex that had been installed by others.
Not so long ago, I worked at the Goldman/Sacks building (old Colgate property)...a 42 story monstrosity comprising about 1 million sq.ft of office space... I started there when the steel was only at the 27th flr...the ONLY Romex in that place was the temp light/power.
For mtn, I would directly ASK (in writing) the AHJ that will inspecting said job IF Romex is allowed and under what circumstances/conditions...as there seems to be a difference of opinion here!
Funny you should mention JC...
A long time ago, I did work in the Trust Company building on Journal Square. After the contractor and I parted ways - an "investigator" of some sort "interviewed" me. The question that needed answering:
"Had I ever installed, or been instructed to install, any Romex in the TCNJ building?"
I had never installed any, or been instructed to install any - yet there were miles of it in the building (ceilings/walls). I am of the opinion that Ziggy Wilzig (real name) who owned the TCNJ and the building (and whose name now adorns the new Medical Center downtown) sold the business and assets. As a term of sale, all properties were given an inspection and the TCNJ building on the Square "failed" due to the Romex that had been installed by others.
Not so long ago, I worked at the Goldman/Sacks building (old Colgate property)...a 42 story monstrosity comprising about 1 million sq.ft of office space... I started there when the steel was only at the 27th flr...the ONLY Romex in that place was the temp light/power.
For mtn, I would directly ASK (in writing) the AHJ that will inspecting said job IF Romex is allowed and under what circumstances/conditions...as there seems to be a difference of opinion here!
Re: Romex or MC cable?
Actually first I spoke with the GC who told me that in that building (Fort Lee)the town was allowing Romex. I decided to get the answer from the inspector in Fort Lee himself (NJ) finally he called me back saying that they wouldn't allow any romex in those high rise building and even though I would find romex in those apartments all new wiring must be done with BX,MC or pipe. So thank you guys for all your replies. I do not know who was the inspector when they did this building because I found romex all over the place!
Actually first I spoke with the GC who told me that in that building (Fort Lee)the town was allowing Romex. I decided to get the answer from the inspector in Fort Lee himself (NJ) finally he called me back saying that they wouldn't allow any romex in those high rise building and even though I would find romex in those apartments all new wiring must be done with BX,MC or pipe. So thank you guys for all your replies. I do not know who was the inspector when they did this building because I found romex all over the place!
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