Rubber/Leather gloves for performing hot work???

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threephase said:
How many people use insulated gloves when changing/tapping/splicing into a dwelling service?
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I do, along with FR shirt and trousers, rubber sleeves, dielectric overshoes and arc flash shield. OSHA rules don't happen to apply to me. They certainly might to most people.

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mdshunk said:
OSHA rules only apply to employees.
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try leaving the cover off a live panel in a factory as OSHA walks thru, tell me if they care whether you are an employee or an owner...
 
I apologize for my ignorance but my experience is 99% industrial.

Say for instance you need to replace the meter enclosure or run larger wires in your enclosure. Can local electricians perform this task or does the POCO deal handle everything upstream from the meter?

If replacing the riser wiring, wouldn't you be cutting the service/ resplicing the service hot?
 
emahler said:
try leaving the cover off a live panel in a factory as OSHA walks thru, tell me if they care whether you are an employee or an owner...
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The violation there is the fact that you exposed employees of the factory to a hazard.
 
threephase said:
How many people use insulated gloves when changing/tapping/splicing into a dwelling service?
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My brother-in-law works for poco, gave me a nice pair of high voltage rubber gloves, I use a pair of leather gloves on top of those, I only use them for residental service Cut & Reconnects, which we are allowed to perform...
 
stickboy1375 said:
My brother-in-law works for poco, gave me a nice pair of high voltage rubber gloves, I use a pair of leather gloves on top of those, I only use them for residental service Cut & Reconnects, which we are allowed to perform...
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Do you have them dialectrically tested regularly?
 
I always wear a pair of leather gloves for hot work. I wouldn't use the rubber under gloves for 120 but each situation is different. I'd be more concerned about the possible flash on a service.
As someone who doesn't do much residential, service (as in Art.230 type service, not the fix it service) work kinda freaks me out. I don't do it anymore. Not saying I always turn my work off but I like being able to if I don't like the conditions.



mdshunk said:
OSHA rules only apply to employees.
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Interesting.

How about 70E?
 
FNCnca said:
Do you have them dialectrically tested regularly?
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For working at the voltages the dwelling services operate at, there's no need. Blow air into them at the cuff, roll the cuff over a few times to trap air, and see if there's any leaks. From a practical standpoint, a pair of leather gloves are suitable for 120/240 services. If you're working in the kilovolt range, you'd certainly want dielectric tests of your rubbers. The POCO's sometimes do those as a customer service for electricians and plant maintenance personnnel.
 
Dave58er said:
Interesting.

How about 70E?
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Find a place where NFPA 70E has the force of law, besides as referenced in OSHA material. ...don't believe there is one.

Don't get me wrong... I am not advocating hot work. I am only relating what I know to be true at this point as best I can, and explaining what I do.
 
mdshunk said:
For working at the voltages the dwelling services operate at, there's no need. Blow air into them at the cuff, roll the cuff over a few times to trap air, and see if there's any leaks. From a practical standpoint, a pair of leather gloves are suitable for 120/240 services. If you're working in the kilovolt range, you'd certainly want dielectric tests of your rubbers. The POCO's sometimes do those as a customer service for electricians and plant maintenance personnnel.
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My POCO will not do it for me, afraid of the liability. Can't say I blame them. Testing is pretty cheap so no big deal.

We wear all required PPE untill the equipment has been verified dead. If I catch one of my guys removing his PPE before it has been verified, he won't be caught again.
 
So are electrical contractors as a rule allowed to change the wiring in the riser? masthead?

If doing so, the EC would be the one cutting & replicing into the service.

If this normally allowed without notifying POCO or are they responsible?

THanks.
 
threephase said:
So are electrical contractors as a rule allowed to change the wiring in the riser? masthead?

If doing so, the EC would be the one cutting & replicing into the service.

If this normally allowed without notifying POCO or are they responsible?
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Every POCO has different procedures on that. You need to call yours and ask how they handle that. I work at the intersection of 5 POCO's, and they all have slightly different rules. For a couple, you schedule a disconnect for first thing some morning, tell the lineman when he cuts it off about what time you want him to swing back for a retap. Some want you to do the whole disconnect and reconnect yourself. Some want you to disconnect yourself, then call for them to stop over for a reconnect. Some you disconnect and reconnect temporarily, then call them and they stop over and take off whatever taps you used and they put on their preferred type. Just call your POCO and ask. The wiring in the mast is normally the customers, but some utilties here and there do that work. Anything's possible. If you already have a rapport with your local inspector, just ask him. He should have a good idea what the procedure is in your area.
 
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