RX in commerical building

[SiddMartin]

I see in the code that RX is allowed in commerical as long as it is not in a dropped ceiling, and behind 15 min fire rated wall. I was under the impression that "common practice" was to use MC when ever in commerical. How does everyone else handle this? Commercial building w/ wood framing & drywall, would you use RX where you could?

and also off this subject, for the Masters exam, is Theory and Ohms law a portion of it? Or is it all on the Code?


Thanks for any help!

 

[stickboy1375]

NM should be used everywhere... The drop ceiling restriction needs to be removed from the code since its just plain dumb...:grin:

 

[electricalperson]

we use romex in drop celings in MA. we have a state amendment that makes it legal. just as long as its stapled up to the framing members. only time we dont use romex in commercial buildings is when its a plenum celing

 

[76nemo]

I see in the code that RX is allowed in commerical as long as it is not in a dropped ceiling, and behind 15 min fire rated wall. I was under the impression that "common practice" was to use MC when ever in commerical. How does everyone else handle this? Commercial building w/ wood framing & drywall, would you use RX where you could?

and also off this subject, for the Masters exam, is Theory and Ohms law a portion of it? Or is it all on the Code?


Thanks for any help!

Theory and code? Why, do you know one and not thee other? I don't, I'll tell you that. I eloped with theory and left code as a Sunday companion Only a master would know Romex is far superior to any other wiring methods:grin:

No really, that's a good question with many different angles.

Maybe we are all just giddy because it's Friday:smile: I know I am!

 

[SiddMartin]

Well, I def. need to brush up on my Ohms law if thats the case. I'm sweatin takin the masters test, I believe that I have to take it before April 1st or ICC will adapt the 2008 code book. I am comfident w/ the code book but the other stuff is what I should be studying maybe...

Another question, the code says "suspended or dropped ceilings" or somethin, so if I run conduit up into the accessible attic into a trough from the panel, I should be able to RX into the trough right? Or is it only when RX is concealed that it is okay?

Thanks again for all the replys / help / critisisisisisim/ and what not

 

[peter d]

NM should be used everywhere... The drop ceiling restriction needs to be removed from the code since its just plain dumb...:grin:

No surprise but I agree with you 100%

 

[76nemo]

Well, I def. need to brush up on my Ohms law if thats the case. I'm sweatin takin the masters test, I believe that I have to take it before April 1st or ICC will adapt the 2008 code book. I am comfident w/ the code book but the other stuff is what I should be studying maybe...

Another question, the code says "suspended or dropped ceilings" or somethin, so if I run conduit up into the accessible attic into a trough from the panel, I should be able to RX into the trough right? Or is it only when RX is concealed that it is okay?

Thanks again for all the replys / help / critisisisisisim/ and what not

I'll throw you my standpoint, and it's not worth the gum on the floor, but here it is. You can know ALL the code you'd like. If you do not know the principles of electricity, than you don't have the rights to a Masters License.

I believe any one indidvidual with a Master's should be able to walk onto site and figure out any problem's handed to them. You can recite code to anyone all day long, but if you can't follow along and find the root problem, you may quite possibly be as green as graduation.

Learn all you want with wiring and code, when a problem arises, you better be able to back it up in theory.

Am I making this clear?????

 

[SiddMartin]

Excellent point. I need to learn more and get more experience under my belt

 

[iwire]

I believe any one indidvidual with a Master's should be able to walk onto site and figure out any problem's handed to them.

I can not agree with that, our trade is far to diverse to expect one person to be knowledgeable in it all.

 

[76nemo]

I can not agree with that, our trade is far to diverse to expect one person to be knowledgeable in it all.

Okay, I'll reword that Bob. First and foremost, it's perfectly fine to disagree, and I respect your words. I do not like the title of "Master". I have met two real MASTERS in my lifetime. Two gentlemen that would FLOOR you with knowledge, anywhere from .01A applications to hundreds of thousands of A services. If I could acquire a "Masters" license, I would never announce it.

I am not really sure how to word or state my objective on this. But really what I meant is "Master" to me is a word that very, very few could hold, regardless of the exams you take. I have worked with MANY, o' many of tech's in my life, I have only run across two MASTERS.

For all of the Master license holding people here, please understand my point of view. Again, I have only met two individuals you couldn't stump on theory or applications. They are both in their 50's, both in t-shirts and worn out jeans, smart as smart could be in the field.

You're very right Bob, the field is extremely broad. It wasn't so broad to these gentlemen, they were, excuse me, are in MY eyes,.....MASTERS. They definetly hold they title, more than I can say for anyone else I have ever had the pleasure to work with:smile:

Here's another stab. If I was to acquire my Masters, and you put me in a picture with Mike Holt, do you think we'd be equal? To me, "Master" is just a VERY hard title to defend.

 

[iwire]

I think your putting way to much into titles. :smile: Judge people by their actions and results, not the title they hold.

I still feel there are no 'true masters' of all the aspects of our trade.

 

[76nemo]

I think your putting way to much into titles. :smile: Judge people by their actions and results, not the title they hold.

I still feel there no 'true masters' of all the aspects of our trade.

Never met one single person you could give a MASTERS title to? I have had the pleasure of two. I hope we'll meet again.

 

[peter d]

Never met one single person you could give a MASTERS title to?

No, never. Actually no one that even comes close. I've met and worked with plenty of "masters" in specific aspects of the trade, but complete mastery of the electrical trade? No, that's impossible.

 

[76nemo]

No, never. Actually no one that even comes close. I've met and worked with plenty of "masters" in specific aspects of the trade, but complete mastery of the electrical trade? No, that's impossible.

Have you never worked with someone on a project that left you in awe? From the PCA to the service entrance? Maybe I was blessed? I'll never forget those two.

 

[peter d]

Have you never worked with someone on a project that left you in awe? From the PCA to the service entrance?

Yes, I've been impressed by many jobs. But most jobs, especially the big ones, aren't built by one "master", they are built by the collective minds and efforts of many people working as a team.

 

[SiddMartin]

Yes, I've been impressed by many jobs. But most jobs, especially the big ones, aren't built by one "master", they are built by the collective minds and efforts of many people working as a team.

good point

 

[76nemo]

Yes, I've been impressed by many jobs. But most jobs, especially the big ones, aren't built by one "master", they are built by the collective minds and efforts of many people working as a team.

So true. It's nice to work with the engineers.

 

[augie47]

during my apprentice days, "master" was the required term for addressing the journeyman under whom I was training.:grin: (when I was allowed to address him)

 

[roger]

Nemo, the only Multi Tasking Master I can recall seeing was on some TV show, I think there was a grasshopper involved. :roll:

As far as engineers are concerned, they are pretty specialized in a particular area as well, I know engineers that design equipment and have no experience in building wiring.

I would say an EC designing for NASA would most likely be lost if he / she came into work one morning and was told to do a design for say a Hospital in the next couple of weeks

This would be the same for a typical commercial electrician (even holding the title of master) being thrown into a Paper Mill.

I have heard many times from many people "I new an electrician (or whatever) once that was the electrician of all electricians", so there are many like yourself that can stand and argue who's Dad can beat up the others Dad

The bottom line is there are those who can excel in one or a more areas, but there are none that excel in all areas.

Roger

 

[stickboy1375]

Never met one single person you could give a MASTERS title to? I have had the pleasure of two. I hope we'll meet again.

I dont even know what a Masters title is, around here your a E1 or a E2, E1 being a legit Electrical Contractor, E2 being a journeyman, but a E2 can do EVERYTHING an E1 can as long as employed by an E1....