Saturdays Picture/Switched Neutral

[chris kennedy]

Found this today doing a demo at a school. Could you list the violations please.

 

[480sparky]

400.8(1).

404.9(B)

Where does the other end of the lamp cord go?














And that green drill in the background.

 

[chris kennedy]

400.8(1).

Where does the other end of the lamp cord go?

2?4 layin.

And that green drill in the background.

In my truck.

 

[480sparky]

2?4 layin..

No what it controls..... where does it go beyond the loop in the red wire?

 

[masterinbama]

400.8(1).



And that green drill in the background.

That's not one of those you get free with the Weed Auger is it?


(just pay shipping and handling)

 

[LarryFine]

That's not one of those you get free with the Weed Auger is it?


(just pay shipping and handling)

And worth every penny it costs.

 

[chris kennedy]

No what it controls..... where does it go beyond the loop in the red wire?

Behind the red loop it is under the framing screw that attaches the 1900 box to the metal stud. (bad angle, sorry)

 

[ericsherman37]

Devices and metal box not grounded..
Lamp cord used as permanent wiring method..
Is the terminal screw on the near switch rated to have two wires landed on it?

And maybe a 314.21 violation for good measure?

 

[masterinbama]

Found this today doing a demo at a school. Could you list the violations please.

The other problem is everyone knows the white zip cord is for exposed work the brown is for concealed work.

 

[ericsherman37]

Behind the red loop it is under the framing screw that attaches the 1900 box to the metal stud. (bad angle, sorry)

So it's just landed on the metal box? So everytime someone turns that switch on, it energizes the box? What is that switch even for?

 

[ericsherman37]

What I see is that someone originally installed a single gang mud ring with one switch in it - just a two-wire break (red and brown). Eventually someone came along and wanted a second switch, for some new light or whatever, so they hacked apart the sheetrock and got a 2-gang mud ring in.

For their wiring method they used lamp cord. So if the red wire is unswitched power then they tapped straight off of it and it goes somewhere else - not to the other switch. I'm confused

EDIT: Oh. I just read the topic - "SWITCHED NEUTRAL." Duh. No wonder it's so confusing to me, that's a stupid way to wire something

 

[chris kennedy]

What I see is that someone originally installed a single gang mud ring with one switch in it - just a two-wire break (red and brown). Eventually someone came along and wanted a second switch, for some new light or whatever, so they hacked apart the sheetrock and got a 2-gang mud ring in.

For their wiring method they used lamp cord. So if the red wire is unswitched power then they tapped straight off of it and it goes somewhere else - not to the other switch. I'm confused

EDIT: Oh. I just read the topic - "SWITCHED NEUTRAL." Duh. No wonder it's so confusing to me, that's a stupid way to wire something

Yes, using the box and EMT as the grounded conductor and switching it.

 

[ericsherman37]

You know it's a bad installation when even after you fix the wiring, it's still in violation.

 

[JohnJ0906]

The other problem is everyone knows the white zip cord is for exposed work the brown is for concealed work.

So that is why this is wrong? They have the colors reversed.

Thanks for clearing that up. :grin: