School's out, now the real learning begins!

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Well, after 6 months of hard work I'd finally finished The Apprentice trade in the electrical Field. The Program is a 9 month course but I started 2 months later then the rest of the class and finished a month early. It was a real hoot for me and I am kinda sad to see it come to an end. Other classmates were so relieved to see the end, but guess I must be a book worm for I would like to go another 9 months. I did manage to finish in the top 5 students out of 32 and achived my goal of a 4.0 GPA.

This goes to show that you are never to old to try something new or be a bit behind and come out on top at the end.

Well I start my 2 week work term Thursday with a local electrical contractor and was told by the contractor if I work out in my work term He would keep me on full time. Kinda excited and yet scared at the same time not knowing what to expect or what is expected from me. Guess The question is what do employers/Contractors expect from a graduate out of an Electrical Apprentice program? Any suggestions or comments will be greatly appreaciated for I am unsure what to expect or be expected to know.



Thanks

~FyE~
 

Dennis Alwon

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I guess I would expect you to know some basic code issues, have some understanding of electricity, read plans and perhaps know how to hook up some 3 way switches.

I would not expect much because I have no idea what the school is teaching. If you had hands on experience, so much the better. Time will tell in the field. Good luck and congrats.
 

bbaumer

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I would expect someone who completed his apprenticeship to be a journeyman and pretty much be productive and not need any instruction or hand holding.

Difference between Union and non-union. Union apprenticeship generally is a 5 year program. 6 months????? I'm sure you can learn a lot in 6 months but I don't think that would make a journeyman out of anyone.
 

iwire

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bbaumer said:
IDifference between Union and non-union. Union apprenticeship generally is a 5 year program. 6 months????? I'm sure you can learn a lot in 6 months but I don't think that would make a journeyman out of anyone.

Where I am the length of apprenticeship is at least 8000 hours and like 600 hours school. This applies to union or merit shop employees.

My bet he is done with the school portion of apprenticeship and now has to serve his field time.
 
Omg I so sorry to have mislead you. I'm am not a Journeyman, I was referring the Electrical program itself that leads the way to start your 4 year apprenticeship. I am now what you consider a 1st year apprentice, again sorry for the confusion.

The electrician program consists of 38 individual programs plus a two week work placement which both are completed in 9 months in college.

I am from Canada and there not much difference between Canada and the States when it comes to fundamentals of Electricity but only different variations to the code itself where ours is called " Canadian Electric Code".

Well I feel pretty confident with the Codes and wiring up residential but guess I'm kinda nervous of going out in the field and putting this education to practice. I guess with any new job you get the butterflies. As I stated, was wondering what journeyman requires of the 1st year apprentice. I may sound rude But I heard of many cases where the 1st year is treated like a "go-for" and not shown the tricks of the trade. Hope I don't get that kinda job, being someone lacky. For the journeyman going to get a new dent in his helmet lol. If I wanted to be a lacky I would of took a Butler course lol.

I know I can't do alot regarding work as per Rules, but there no rules on how much I can learn when given the opportunity.

Again, sorry for the mix up

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electricalperson

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first year apprentice is always tough. dont worry if your electrician gets mad at you for something he will get over it. just be prepared to do the grunt work like working in 100 degree attics or disgusting crawl spaces or even cleaning out the truck
 

jrannis

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Electrician Career Track

Electrician Career Track

Drop out of Community College:

First Year Apprentice: Dig Ditches
Second Year Apprentice: Dig Ditches, Chip Concrete
Third year Apprentice: Run Material, Take Brake Orders
Fourth Year Apprentice: Install Anchors for Pipe Racks
Fifth Year Apprentice: Install Pipe, Pull Wire

First Year Journeyman: Service Truck and Residential Remodel
Second Year Journeyman: Service Truck, Light Commercial Remodel
Third Year Journeyman: Service Truck, Slot Stores
Fourth Year Journeyman: Get Masters License

First Year Master: Quit and open own shop
Second Year Master: Max Out Credit Cards
Third Year Master: Decide never to work for a GC again
Fourth Year Master: She takes whatever is left
Fifth Year Master: Enter 12 step program
Sixth Year Master: Get job as Estimator, gain 40 lbs

Go back to Community College
 

JohnJ0906

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jrannis said:
Drop out of Community College:

First Year Apprentice: Dig Ditches
Second Year Apprentice: Dig Ditches, Chip Concrete
Third year Apprentice: Run Material, Take Brake Orders
Fourth Year Apprentice: Install Anchors for Pipe Racks
Fifth Year Apprentice: Install Pipe, Pull Wire

First Year Journeyman: Service Truck and Residential Remodel
Second Year Journeyman: Service Truck, Light Commercial Remodel
Third Year Journeyman: Service Truck, Slot Stores
Fourth Year Journeyman: Get Masters License

First Year Master: Quit and open own shop
Second Year Master: Max Out Credit Cards
Third Year Master: Decide never to work for a GC again
Fourth Year Master: She takes whatever is left
Fifth Year Master: Enter 12 step program
Sixth Year Master: Get job as Estimator, gain 40 lbs

Go back to Community College

This isn't an autobiography, is it? :grin:
 

nakulak

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jrannis said:
Drop out of Community College:

First Year Apprentice: Dig Ditches
Second Year Apprentice: Dig Ditches, Chip Concrete
Third year Apprentice: Run Material, Take Brake Orders
Fourth Year Apprentice: Install Anchors for Pipe Racks
Fifth Year Apprentice: Install Pipe, Pull Wire

First Year Journeyman: Service Truck and Residential Remodel
Second Year Journeyman: Service Truck, Light Commercial Remodel
Third Year Journeyman: Service Truck, Slot Stores
Fourth Year Journeyman: Get Masters License

First Year Master: Quit and open own shop
Second Year Master: Max Out Credit Cards
Third Year Master: Decide never to work for a GC again
Fourth Year Master: She takes whatever is left
Fifth Year Master: Enter 12 step program
Sixth Year Master: Get job as Estimator, gain 40 lbs

Go back to Community College


ah, this reminds me of my very first boss who supervised me on my very first job: running a jackhammer 40 hrs a week for 3 months. he was an ex drill sargent who kept two bottles of vodka under his seat. and when he talked of going to school, he was talking about THE school. The one school. The only school. yep, the school of hard knocks.
 

jmsbrush

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Central Florida
jrannis said:
Drop out of Community College:

First Year Apprentice: Dig Ditches
Second Year Apprentice: Dig Ditches, Chip Concrete
Third year Apprentice: Run Material, Take Brake Orders
Fourth Year Apprentice: Install Anchors for Pipe Racks
Fifth Year Apprentice: Install Pipe, Pull Wire

First Year Journeyman: Service Truck and Residential Remodel
Second Year Journeyman: Service Truck, Light Commercial Remodel
Third Year Journeyman: Service Truck, Slot Stores
Fourth Year Journeyman: Get Masters License

First Year Master: Quit and open own shop
Second Year Master: Max Out Credit Cards
Third Year Master: Decide never to work for a GC again
Fourth Year Master: She takes whatever is left
Fifth Year Master: Enter 12 step program
Sixth Year Master: Get job as Estimator, gain 40 lbs

Go back to Community College
That was good!!!!!! I have heard so many people say stop working for GC's . I can understand the feeling but don't we always work for Gc's unless it's small jobs for homer owners or service work on commercial and industrial?
 

SiddMartin

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My apprentiship was 8000 OJT's and 600 classroom hours, but really, you can only learn if you have a good teacher. I didn't have a teacher introduce the code book till the 3rd year, as sad as that is. The code should be the first year and drilled hard, that is our law to obide by. My 3rd yr teacher gave us code tests all the time, and from that time forward I really started learning something usefull. I passed the Masters exam before I graduated my 4th year, and I know I have a lot more to learn and experience. (thats why I come here)
 
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Well I done my work term (60 Hr) with an EC and it was not a greatest experience working with that particular company. The Owner was a complete donkey and expected way to much for a 1st year.

He told me he needed a worker and If I done well he had a job for me. Well after the work term was over he did offer a job for another month but I'm not sure if I will last that long before I hang em of the service mast :grin: Basically he wants a first year to be able to do the work of an Journeyman and he is really expecting to much.

During my 60 Hr work term he spent 5 Min's with me showing me how to splice (not like I did not know:rolleyes: ) and was left on my own the rest of the time to do the work, although he came by every few hrs to see my progress and went back to what he was doing.

All he preached about during lunch was efficiently,efficiently, efficiently but yet his style was not very efficient at all. His work deals mostly in new residential with rough in and Finishes and he has all the work to be done in the house in his head and he tells his workers what is to be done. Eg. We arrived at the residence to start the rough in, he told a worker to grab a long stick and made several markings on it for the height of the thermostats, Plug In's, switches, GFI to be used for a guide. The EC then walk thru the whole house (3 floors) and marked on the studs (T, P, GFI, S) with a marker and then the worker took the stick and mark off the entire house to the height on marking of the stick. After all the height marks was done we all went around the house installing the boxes that was required then we start pulling wires.

Here where it got kinda nuts for me, He told me to do all the heating circuits in the house ( Conv heat) and then walked me thru the main floor pointing to the thermostat boxes and stating what each one was for. The walk thru was very quick and was kinda hard to hear what he was saying since there was other trade workers all around sawing/ hammering doing there thing. He started off saying that this TERM (a), (to make this understandable for ya I will label it A)goes back to the panel and feeds the 2 heaters located there and there. The he stated that the TERM (a) supplies power to TERM (b) and TERM (c) in which TERM (b) has a heater here and a heater here and TERM (c) controls a heater located here. Then he went to another part of the house and done the same process again to the other few TERM. Then told me to start pulling the wires and terminate them in the boxes. He then left me alone for the rest of day and checked on me a few times to see my progress.

The next morning before I started pulling wires I went to him and asked him ( to make sure ) where one particular TERM got it Power from and supplied what heaters and he replied to me in a nasty tone " I TOLD YOU YESTERDAY WHAT THAT WAS FOR". :mad:

Later that day during lunch he said he was timing me on my progress that morning and stated I was averaging 9 Min's an outlet (splicing and terminating) and he wanted me down to 4 Min's. Yes I know 9 Min's is a bit long but I was being careful not to cut any of the jackets when splicing. I thought If I spent an extra few minutes being careful on every outlet I would not make a mistake and cut the wrong wire or damage the jacket then I would end up spending to of time removing the wire and running a new one. ( Just using common sence but guess he thought it was not efficient).

There was no Electrical plans to look at on the job site for the EC had all the plans in his head (Efficiency huh ?). After completing all the heating I went and ask a co worker who was installing pot lights at that time if he wanted me to run the wires for the pot lights and he replied that he did not know where to run the wires for he got to ask the EC when he gets back (again efficiency huh)

The EC has several jobs sites going at once at different stages so the next day he sent me and a 4th year to do a finish, again he expected for us to have 90 outlets done by the time he came to the site. We had 80 done I believe and he complained that his quota was not filled.

BTW the EC is the only Journeyman and got 2 workers plus me. One worker is a 4th year apprentice and the other is his friend who is not even an apprentice for he never went to school and took the trade. When someone of importance come to the job site, the 4th year and I have to leave the site so the EC don't get into hot water. What a load of Horse droppings this EC is.

Well he did offer me a Month work and I guess I can mark it up as experience and endure his crap and nod and Smile when he speaks :roll: Although I may have chance of working with a different EC this week and tell Mr Efficient that his efficiency is just not efficient for me :grin:


~FyE~
 

electricalperson

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massachusetts
sounds like hte first company i worked for. one licensed guy and a van full of helpers. in MA a journeyman is only allowed one apprentice. when the inspector came around we had to run out the back door :grin:
 
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