SE cable on exterior single family residence

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What has been your experience with the deeply subjective interpretation of "subject to physical damage"?

It has been customary to see SE cable run down and along aluminum, vinyl, T1-11 and masonry siding before it enters into the structure usually within 3 feet of grade.

What is your opinion and what has been your experience with this issue?
 
SE is not allowed where I am - and I am glad...

I can not imagine it surviving the sun, or the many other physical ways it could be damaged that even RMC has a hard time withstanding.
 
There is nothing wrong with exposed SE cable. Around here it used in about 75% of all residential service installations. Basically if it installed where it can't get damaged than it's OK. In a driveway or over a sidewalk protection would likely be required.
 
In my opinion along side a house where vegetation is planted and there is no sidewalk is not "subject to physical damage".

If it is along a driveway then yes it would be "subject to physical damage"

I would not consider a private sidewalk as "subject to physical damage"

This of course is my opinion and the opinion that I use when I am the AHJ. Of course it is subject to change based on other factors that may be present.

e57 - SE cable is rated for exterior application and the covering is UV rated. I have not noticed any problems with SE cable installed since its coating became UV rated (don't know how many years).
 
I love it actually, thanks for asking. We get a few ice storms, and let me tell you, pvc risers get destroyed, where SEU usually just needs a new weatherhead and some new straps...
 
stickboy1375 said:
I love it actually, thanks for asking. We get a few ice storms, and let me tell you, pvc risers get destroyed, where SEU usually just needs a new weatherhead and some new straps...
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Yeah but....what if an ax murderer is running away from his latest victim and he trips on a skateboard and rolls down the hill and he falls off the skateboard and he bumps his head on a garden gnome and then he gets really dizzy and falls in the pool and then he gets out and his shoes are wet and then he falls in the bushes and then he gets pricked by the thorns and then he needs a bandaid and then he gets and infection and then he goes to the hospital and then he gets better and then he goes home and then he misses his ax and then he goes to find it and then he stops at the bar and then he gets drunk and then he steals a moped cause he's to drunk to drive and then he crashes his moped into the house and then the miror hits the se cable and then the mirror breaks and then he has to buy a new mirror......

Is this what you se lovers want? Not me, I encase all my service risers in titanium and for added safety I scotch tape pillows to it.
 
electricmanscott said:
Is this what you se lovers want? Not me, I encase all my service risers in titanium and for added safety I scotch tape pillows to it.
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I dont know Scott, You think the pillows are enough? I always overthink this stuff too much. ;)
 
electricmanscott said:
Yeah but....what if an ax murderer is running away from his latest victim and he trips on a skateboard and rolls down the hill and he falls off the skateboard and he bumps his head on a garden gnome and then he gets really dizzy and falls in the pool and then he gets out and his shoes are wet and then he falls in the bushes and then he gets pricked by the thorns and then he needs a bandaid and then he gets and infection and then he goes to the hospital and then he gets better and then he goes home and then he misses his ax and then he goes to find it and then he stops at the bar and then he gets drunk and then he steals a moped cause he's to drunk to drive and then he crashes his moped into the house and then the miror hits the se cable and then the mirror breaks and then he has to buy a new mirror......

Is this what you se lovers want? Not me, I encase all my service risers in titanium and for added safety I scotch tape pillows to it.
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I wont go that far but every time I see it ran exposed I can envision the trunk slammer driving away in his Pinto station wagon with the ladder tied to the top with plastic bags from slowes
 
ceb58 said:
I wont go that far but every time I see it ran exposed I can envision the trunk slammer driving away in his Pinto station wagon with the ladder tied to the top with plastic bags from slowes
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Guess I be a trunk slammer then. Oh well, of you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
 
ceb58 said:
I wont go that far but every time I see it ran exposed I can envision the trunk slammer driving away in his Pinto station wagon with the ladder tied to the top with plastic bags from slowes
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We have an awful lot of trunk slammers around here installing SE cable. Only they drive commercial vans and have electrical contractors licenses and businesses.
 
ceb58 said:
I wont go that far but every time I see it ran exposed I can envision the trunk slammer driving away in his Pinto station wagon with the ladder tied to the top with plastic bags from slowes
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Get over it, its a legal and professional install. but as Peter already mentioned, guess I'm a trunk slammer also.
 
stickboy1375 said:
Get over it, its a legal and professional install. but as Peter already mentioned, guess I'm a trunk slammer also.
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Nothing to get over. I know it is legal. I just dont like the way it looks. I would not do it on my home and I wont do it on some ones elses. It's just my opinion. Knock your self out
 
ceb58 said:
Nothing to get over. I know it is legal. I just dont like the way it looks. I would not do it on my home and I wont do it on some ones elses. It's just my opinion. Knock your self out
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I have SE on my own home, I installed it, I don't want the indutrial look of conduit on the side of my home. I think conduit on the side of a home is pretty darn ugly. It's just my opinion. Knock your self out. :smile:
 
iwire said:
I have SE on my own home, I installed it, I don't want the indutrial look of conduit on the side of my home. I think conduit on the side of a home is pretty darn ugly. It's just my opinion. Knock your self out. :smile:
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If I remember correctly, Bob actually took off the conduit and installed SE Cable. But we all know Bob is .... , well you know what I mean. :grin:
 
iwire said:
I have SE on my own home, I installed it, I don't want the indutrial look of conduit on the side of my home. I think conduit on the side of a home is pretty darn ugly. It's just my opinion. Knock your self out. :smile:
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That's whats great about this site we can agree to disagree and walk away (sometimes) happy.:smile: I know that it is more common to see this installation in the northern part of the country. Here 99.9% of the time it is underground feeds with back to back services. The older homes, ecspecialy brick, the meter base is buried in the brick with the overhead riser emerging from the roof.
 
electricmanscott said:
Yeah but....what if an ax murderer is running away from his latest victim and he trips on a skateboard and rolls down the hill and he falls off the skateboard and he bumps his head on a garden gnome and then he gets really dizzy and falls in the pool and then he gets out and his shoes are wet and then he falls in the bushes and then he gets pricked by the thorns and then he needs a bandaid and then he gets and infection and then he goes to the hospital and then he gets better and then he goes home and then he misses his ax and then he goes to find it and then he stops at the bar and then he gets drunk and then he steals a moped cause he's to drunk to drive and then he crashes his moped into the house and then the miror hits the se cable and then the mirror breaks and then he has to buy a new mirror......

Is this what you se lovers want? Not me, I encase all my service risers in titanium and for added safety I scotch tape pillows to it.
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Wait a minute I don't get it.:-? If his mirror broke on the se cable . Then wouldn't he have got electrocuted.
 
its a poco req. here, they req. sc 80 load side if there is a sidewalk within so many feet of meter. If not, then SE is acceptable.
 
iwire said:
I have SE on my own home, I installed it, I don't want the indutrial look of conduit on the side of my home. I think conduit on the side of a home is pretty darn ugly. It's just my opinion. Knock your self out. :smile:
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We've discussed this before haven't we Bob.:)
 
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