series vs. fully rated panels

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Digger110

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Maybe I've been out of the field too long but someone asked me this question the other day and I could not answer it. Could someone explain to me the difference between a series rated and a fully rated panel or if the fully rated designation even exists? Thanks for your help in clearing my mind on this one.

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Take a look at 240.86, 240.86(A),(B) and (C). Also the required field identification at 110.22.

A series rated system refers to the breakers being applied in combination where they have been tested by UL to provide short-circuit protection at a higher rating than the load side breaker but not higher than line side breaker. This can either be breaker protecting breaker or a fuse protecting a breaker.

The code articles above will show you the requirements for marking and how motor load can effect these installations.
As an example using GE products, a THFK frame breaker protecting a THQL 15-30amp 1 or 2pole would have a combination rating of 42Kaic. The THQL is a 10K rated breaker when applied by itself.
 
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Welcome to the club.

All I know for sure is that I have to put stickers on series rated panels.


Series rated use 10k (normal) devices?

Fully rated use 22k (more expensive)?

I have had it explained to me but not in a simple, mechanical way so I could understand it.
 

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I'll try.

In a fully-rated system, every protective device is rated to at least the available fault current at the service point. The advantage is that you don't have to do any homework, and you can mix brands in a system. The disadvantage is that everything costs more.

In a series-rated system, each device need only be rated for the available fault current at its terminals. The advantage is that the equipment costs are lower. The disadvantage is that you have to calculate the available fault current at each device's location in the system.

You are required to use combinations of equipment that have are certified to have been tested together and found to operate safely without damage to the equipment, and more importantly, to people and buildings.

For example, starting with the utility transformer secondary terminals, and usually assuming what's called an "infinite bus" (unlimited current) available to the primary, you use the transformers capacity, impedance, etc., and determine its available current.

Then you factor in the impedance of the service conductors from the transformer to the main disconnect, which can be rated at the available fault current at that point. You then use the impedance of the feeder conductors to rate the next equipment, etc.

This continues to the final branch-circuit breakers. You can see how this can lead to quite a savings in a larger installation. There are calculator programs that can do this easily, but you must get the transformer information from your power-company field engineer.
 
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Larry,
In a fully-rated system, every protective device is rated to at least the available fault current at the service point.
Your description is really of a fully rated system as each device is rated for the current that is available at that point. With a series rated system a device is installed at a point on the system where the available fault current exceeds that rating of that device. That device is protected by an upstream breaker that is in series with the down stream device.
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LarryFine said:
I'll try.

In a fully-rated system, every protective device is rated to at least the available fault current at the service point. The advantage is that you don't have to do any homework, and you can mix brands in a system. The disadvantage is that everything costs more.

In a series-rated system, each device need only be rated for the available fault current at its terminals. The advantage is that the equipment costs are lower. The disadvantage is that you have to calculate the available fault current at each device's location in the system.

You are required to use combinations of equipment that have are certified to have been tested together and found to operate safely without damage to the equipment, and more importantly, to people and buildings.

For example, starting with the utility transformer secondary terminals, and usually assuming what's called an "infinite bus" (unlimited current) available to the primary, you use the transformers capacity, impedance, etc., and determine its available current.

Then you factor in the impedance of the service conductors from the transformer to the main disconnect, which can be rated at the available fault current at that point. You then use the impedance of the feeder conductors to rate the next equipment, etc.

Almost but not quite.

A fully rated device is rated for the available fault current at its line terminals, regardless if it is at the service entrance SCA rating or at a reduce level based on the impedance of the system.

A series rated device requires an upstream protective device in order to handle the fault current at its line terminals.
 

LarryFine

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jim dungar said:
Almost but not quite.

A fully rated device is rated for the available fault current at its line terminals, regardless if it is at the service entrance SCA rating or at a reduce level based on the impedance of the system.

A series rated device requires an upstream protective device in order to handle the fault current at its line terminals.
I dig, and I appreciate the corrections.
 

Digger110

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Thanks to All

Thanks to All

Thanks to all who responded. I wasn't exactly clear on this but rather than spout off at the mouth to baffle them with BS, I'd rather get some opinions and facts to back up exactly what is the correct explanation.
 

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One thing to keep in mind is that a fully rated system can have inductive loads added to it so long as you don't overload the system, and still maintain short-circuit rating of the entire system. Series rated systems are only rated for the loads at the time it is initially series rated. By adding a motor or two (depending on how tight the series rating is) you can exceed the short-circuit rating of the system. If you need to leave room for expansion, I don't recommend series rating.
 

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hdpeng said:
One thing to keep in mind is that a fully rated system can have inductive loads added to it so long as you don't overload the system, and still maintain short-circuit rating of the entire system. Series rated systems are only rated for the loads at the time it is initially series rated. By adding a motor or two (depending on how tight the series rating is) you can exceed the short-circuit rating of the system. If you need to leave room for expansion, I don't recommend series rating.

Series rated device are able to maintain their rating as long as the motor load after the upstream protective device does not exceed 1% of the AIC rating of the lowest device. For a typical 10kAIC breaker this means you can have up to 100A of running motors.
 

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Is it not appropriate, then, to speak of "series rated panels"? Is it more in line to speak of "series rated systems," with the word "systems" meaning the main breakers of each panel and the sub-feed breakers to the next panel in line, and not to the panels themselves? :confused:
 

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charlie b said:
Is it not appropriate, then, to speak of "series rated panels"? Is it more in line to speak of "series rated systems," with the word "systems" meaning the main breakers of each panel and the sub-feed breakers to the next panel in line, and not to the panels themselves? :confused:

Could you not series rate coordinated breakers within the same panel??? Say a 22k main and 10k branch and feeder breakers in the same enclosure? (if rated to do so...) Semantically "Systems" does seem like more appropriate language....
 

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charlie b said:
Is it not appropriate, then, to speak of "series rated panels"? Is it more in line to speak of "series rated systems," with the word "systems" meaning the main breakers of each panel and the sub-feed breakers to the next panel in line, and not to the panels themselves? :confused:

I believe the correct term is "series rated devices". For instance it is possible to have a series rated motor starters and fuses as well as meter sockets and breakers in addition to panels.
 

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jim dungar said:
Series rated device are able to maintain their rating as long as the motor load after the upstream protective device does not exceed 1% of the AIC rating of the lowest device. For a typical 10kAIC breaker this means you can have up to 100A of running motors.
The devices themselves maintain their rating, but the overall system short-circuit rating will increase.
 

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hdpeng said:
The devices themselves maintain their rating, but the overall system short-circuit rating will increase.

No, the system does not increase. Series ratings are for combinations of devices. It is very easy to have a panelboard that contains some breakers that are series rated with the main and some breakers that are not.

Series ratings only say that a lower rated device may be used in combination with a higher rated device. The panelboard busing is not part of the series ratings. The conductors are not part of the series rating. And except for some meter socket and breaker combinations, I am not aware of any series rating that involves more than 2 devices in series, I am not about to call 2 devices a "system".
 

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jim dungar said:
No, the system does not increase. Series ratings are for combinations of devices. It is very easy to have a panelboard that contains some breakers that are series rated with the main and some breakers that are not.

Series ratings only say that a lower rated device may be used in combination with a higher rated device. The panelboard busing is not part of the series ratings. The conductors are not part of the series rating. And except for some meter socket and breaker combinations, I am not aware of any series rating that involves more than 2 devices in series, I am not about to call 2 devices a "system".
I think we can only agree to disagree here, Jim.
 

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hdpeng said:
I think we can only agree to disagree here, Jim.

Just like the 2005 NEC.
The text in 240.86 uses the word devices and that in 110.22 uses the word equipment.

But, the label required by 110.22 contains the word system.
 
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