Short cut question

[Flex]

I have a situation where #4 ser cable feeds a, lets call it a sub-disconnect, that then feeds 2 240v t-stats with 3400 watts each, 12 guage wire. Also 2 receptacle ckts, 14 gauge wire. And A well pump with 14 guage wire. The sub-disconnect had 60 amp fuses, and is protected by a 2 pole 60a in the main panel. I explain to the homeowner the dangers but unfortunately he has a poor financial status right now. To boot the feed cable is only a 3 wire and is around 90 foot long.

I have a subpanel I can install to him at no cost to safely split everything up, but I'm not interested in changing the feed. However I do have a 140 feet of #6 insulated copper sitting in my shed. If I tye-wrapped the #6 along the existing feed and landed it in the main panel ensuring I keep the neutral and ground apart at the new sub-panel would it be legal.

I dont like to take these kinds of short cuts but this is an elderly lady and I dont mind giving the subpanel and wire considering they were already paid for from other jobs.

 

[SEO]

This is not a legal installation look at section 300.3 (B). Conductors of the same circuit.

 

[Flex]

Thanks man

 

[electricalperson]

why not just charge her full price and do it right? just because shes old doesnt mean she gets discounts. she probably has a lot of money anyway

 

[Flex]

Nah she doesnt really but im not going to do something against code, so if she doesnt want to pay for the wire Ill just walk away.

 

[electricalperson]

Nah she doesnt really but im not going to do something against code, so if she doesnt want to pay for the wire Ill just walk away.

that could be your best possible thing to do. give her a price and see what she says. maybe you can give her the panel for free if you want but she should pay you for something. i would give her a price for the entire job and if she doesnt like it ill walk away too. your in business to make money not give out charity work

 

[Flex]

Yea i try to keep my emotions out of it. I figured I try something though.

 

[Flex]

Just saw 250.130(C). Would this exception work in my case?

 

[cadpoint]

Oh the humanity!

I think it is a kind and human thing that your doing!

Sounds like you've drawn you line in the sand, it sounds like your best plan of action to me...

Is it a salemanship moment that you missed from the beginning, or is it that fact that services have been done and it looks more like a "oh yeah moment" to the client?

Sorry, I didn't crack the book! :grin:

 

[Flex]

Already gave her the price to replace the old feed. Now im just curious to the code.

 

[SEO]

Just saw 250.130(C). Would this exception work in my case?

No that would not apply to this type of installation. Read section 300.3 (B) carefully, the grounded conductor and all equipment grounding conductors shall be contained within the same cable.

 

[Flex]

Look at 300.3(B)(2)

 

[SEO]

Section 300.3 (B) (2) sends you to 250.130(C) and also to section 250.134(B) Exc No.2. Section 250.130 (C) Nongrounding Receptacle Replacement or Branch Circuit Extensions. Your installation doesn't qualify for this section. Another problem you may have is if the cable is a seu type your neutral is uninsulated as well. Howerver the installation still would be non complient.