Side Jobs to Working Solo

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SiddMartin

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Expecting a lot of good discussion off of this,

How many of you guys started out w/ side work that eventually got so overwhelming that you branched off and started working for yourself.

What are the adv. / dis-adv to working solo and what (or how much) side work or other things were involved in your decision making?

Since we are all (or mostly) electricians, I am assuming you are all broke like I am:smile: and took some time to make that jump.
 
I opened Jan 1st with no work but a plan.I spent a year reserching the market and writing a business plan and aquiring start up capitol much of which was our life savings.
 
23 years ago I came in the office on Monday and was told Friday would be my last day, they were shutting the testing division down. Assuming there would be a spot for me elsewhere in the company, I asked what am I suppose to do? I was told We do not give a F*** what you do. I am not stupid I can read the handwriting on the wall. I finished a few jobs they need completed and decide I had worked for everyone else and they all found my style to be a PIA, so I decided it was time to try my own thing.

I never told any customers what was happening till after I was completly out the door. And there is no side work in what I do.
 
You will get alot of negative replies...

You will get alot of negative replies...

But some of the most successful contractors, and I don't mean a podunk mom&pop shop, started it all with side work. All great sparkys are or have been side workers at one time or another.

A distinction must be made of course, one guy worked so much on the side all he did at work was coordinate his sidework and blab on the phone. I think two grand a month in child support garnished from his wages was really to blame for his cash jones. He was also dealing dope, I don't make this up.

Keep it under the radar. If the legitimate contractors here could find a way to figure out who you are and nail you to a cross for doing side work, they would.

My greatest success has been working for carpenters who work for a GC and have their own sidejobs going on.

When you do go above board, I wish you great success.
 
I side occasional side work for the several years I was a wage-earner. Then I got laid off for lack of work. I took stock of what I had in the pantry.... experience, tools, a license, insurance, a couple of regular customers, good rep with the inspectors.... all the ingredients needed to hang out my own shingle.

So I did, and never looked back.
 
SiddMartin said:
Expecting a lot of good discussion off of this,

How many of you guys started out w/ side work that eventually got so overwhelming that you branched off and started working for yourself.

What are the adv. / dis-adv to working solo and what (or how much) side work or other things were involved in your decision making?

Since we are all (or mostly) electricians, I am assuming you are all broke like I am:smile: and took some time to make that jump.


my decision to start a business didn't have anything to do w/ sidework; several factors played a role in my decision:

I saw a need in my community and thought I could fill that need better than anyone else.

I wanted a better life for my family and thought being "the boss" would make that happen.

I wanted to create jobs in my local community that are non-existent since nafta (that part i'm still working at), plus when i was in high school, i kinda told some business leaders that if they granted me this scholarship for college i would create some kind of business that would hire local people. i've had 3 so far and going on almost 12 month in business; none of them quite worked out. i forgot that our local work force is one of the least educated in the state, which is another reason we can't draw any businesses in. oh well.
 
OOOOOOOOHHHHHH........you said that dirty S-word! Look out!

Get ready to hear how you are "single handedly destroying the electrical trade as we know it", not to mention causing world hunger, depleting the ozone layer, killing baby seals, and who knows what else guys are gonna throw at you.

There are some on this site that believe side work automatically means that you are working for $15.00/hr, not pulling permits, and hacking every job you can get your hands on!

You are supposed to jump into business blindly and struggle to make ends meet, maybe have your house foreclosed. Taking unnecessary risks is the only way you'll ever become a "real" contractor.;)
 
My business is still "side work" for me. I work for the state doing construction and maint. When I got to a point where I could see retirement a few years away I started my business. However, when I did start I said to myself, I am going to do this the right way. I had gen. liability and workers comp. cert. in place before I pulled the first wire for pay. I have kept my self small, I have 3 good ( if their are any:grin: ) GC's and I have built a repeat business with 20-30 private individuals and get more from word of mouth. At the onset I already had the majority of tools I needed, the job trailer, I was able to pay for it up front. My youngest son has been working with me for since he was 10, he is now 16 and he has learned quickly. When he grad. high school I can retire and go full time if this is what he wants to do, I did tell him if this is what he wants he WILL be going to comm. college for Business. The hardest part of the job.
 
EBFD6 said:
You are supposed to jump into business blindly and struggle to make ends meet, maybe have your house foreclosed. Taking unnecessary risks is the only way you'll ever become a "real" contractor.;)

That is why you plan, and put up the money to see your way thru 6 months of operation, so you have less chance of failure, all business is a risk, but some guys want the best of both worlds, no risk, and play on the side, and hope for the best, not ready for business, and they are not risk takers, they are usually wage workers, just looking for a few easy bucks, and yes bringing down the hard working ligit contractors, in the process.
 
You are supposed to jump into business blindly and struggle to make ends meet, maybe have your house foreclosed
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Hey....that was my business plan :wink:



I did side work as soon as I could.....maybe six months in. I was roping houses but learned to bend rigid on that first side job. I remember looking at the small pile of materials in my carport (200 feet of rigid, some wp boxes, wire and par holders) and being really excited that I was going to turn it into gold!

My wages were $6hr at the time and I was about to earn a weeks pay in a single day. The more side work I did, the less satisfied I became with being a 9 to 5 drone. After a few years I became a dawn to dusk drone but I was happier. I am pretty sure I averaged 6.5 days a week for about a decade.


I hope I didn't bring down any contractors or do any real damage to the industry. I was trying to get ahead and provide a better life for me and my family. My son is an electrician too. 15 years now :)
 
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I use to do a lot of sidework when I worked for other contractors. I got a job as a maintenance electrician and I told myself and my wife that I would never take another sidejob. Now I still work full time as a maintenance electrician, got my contractors license, and do more work (legitimately) than ever before. I think haveing a business and bidding jobs is kind of addictive, almost like people are addicted to gambling some are addicted to there business.
 
All great sparkys are or have been side workers at one time or another.

I never did side work and while not the greatest I'd like to think I can hold my own.

My main purpoes (other than being FIRED, basically) was the realization that employers did not like my attitude towards work. I always liked it my way.
 
brian john said:
My main purpoes (other than being FIRED, basically) was the realization that employers did not like my attitude towards work. I always liked it my way.

You had some leverage. Maybe customers liked your results, and customers are always right.

Perhaps no one else had your skills and you used double speak and non-sensical phrases to tell them how you did it.

Brings to mind someone on this forum who described load testing for impedance as a fall-off potential test, which to me seems like a perfect specimine of a BS'ing electrician.

brian john said:
23 years ago I came in the office on Monday and was told Friday would be my last day, they were shutting the testing division down. ..I was told We do not give a F*** what you do.

Are you saying this company dumped an entire division and its customers just to get rid of the guy running that division?

If so, was that your plan, or was it more like after becoming the amazing peice of work that you are, you just made the best of a situation?
 
For many years I struggled to find an outfit I could call "home". I always became frustrated with how my fellow workers would cut each other down in hopes of getting to the top. The rules that most outfits had seemed very counter-productive, and all the "boss" cared about was being the boss, not being a leader. One day I had had enough, I new driving into work that it would be my last day. Sure enough, the "boss" was in a bad mood so he got everyone together. He decided to preach to everyone that the office had a stack of applications an inch thick, and everyone here better step it up, or else. This clown started to pick apart everyone else's work, I had heard enough, and brought up how I had to replace the nice ROMEX cut in box he had installed with MC because when I turned on the ckt, it blew up. He couldn't even at least use an antishort bushing. To top it off, the wire were too short etc. When I brought this up, his faced turned red, and he threw me off the job. I never looked back. In fact when I see that guy again, I will probably shake his hand and say "thanks". So all those years of trying to find a home were actually years of training for my real home. I took all the good stuff, and left all the bad stuff. And yes, I worked much sidework, and I don't feel at all bad about it.

Gerry
 
I hope everyone realizes that to me "SIDE WORK" is legitamate work, it is not work that I aquired while on the job nor would it jeoparize my career. I don't agree with taking existing customers, I am talking about working for YOURSELF.
Just wanted to know some of the struggles that you guys went through in the beginning. If you started with a lot of money then don't reply b/c I can't relate.:)
 
gra electric said:
I always became frustrated with how my fellow workers would cut each other down in hopes of getting to the top. . . . I took all the good stuff, and left all the bad stuff. And yes, I worked much sidework, and I don't feel at all bad about it.

Gerry

well said
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If you start your business without enough money,enough planning or enough business knowledge the failure looms large.I went into business because I wanted to be in business not because I had no other options.I did not try and sit the fence when I became a contractor my ethics dictated that I could no longer be an employee of someone who I would be competing against for work.
 
When I first started thinking about starting my own business I was currently working in a industrial plant. I worked nights and there was a GC, and 2 plumbers that worked nights with me.

One of the plumbers was a one man show and the other plumber had four guys working for him. Both were 100% legit, licensed and insured. Since I was considering starting my own business I was a bit troubled by the fact they had been working nights with me for 12 years now.

Why were they still working two jobs? Were they bored and didn't know what else to do with their time? Did they not get along with their wives? Did they have 10 kids at home? So I asked them why.

They both said they worked nights at the industrial plant for the benefits.
What they really meant by this is they don't charge enough and their business can't provide them with benefits like health insurance, retirement plans, vacation pay, sick leave pay, holiday pay, etc. So they work a second job so they can have these things.

There's another plumber in town that's running about 10 service trucks. He doesn't spend his nights working in an industrial plant for his benefit package. He's quite successful and has been featured in The Successful Contractor Magazine. He spends his evenings on his hobby of restoring old cars.

When I mentioned him to these plumbers I was working nights with they both said the guy charges too much and is a crook.

So I guess the only way to make money as a contractor is either become a crook and charge for silly things like health insurance plans, retirement plans, vacation pay, sick leave pay, holiday pay, ect. or get a second job so you'll have these things and be able to keep your prices down to a reasonable level and not become one of those high priced crooks.

There's an EC in my area that does a lot of new residential homes. He saves money by hiring anyone he can find to do the work for cash money under the table. That way he doesn't need to hire employees to do the work and have all the expenses that comes along with them. He wanted to know if I would be interested in wiring some of his houses for $25 under the table. He knows I'm a licensed contractor and he has the nerve to ask me this? What a joke. $25 an hour won't even but a dent in my overhead. I didn't quit my job at the industrial plant to become a contractor working for $25 an hour.

I went and looked at a job the other day. It's for a beauty salon. When I get there a landscaper truck is parked out front. The guy is a landscaper and works a bit slow for him right now so he's doing jobs like this. He said he was planning on doing the electrical himself but decided he wouldn't have the time. So he wanted a price from me for the work. He's not licensed to do the work and it's not legal for him to do the work. He still plans on doing the plumbing even though he's not licensed for it either.

He got a funny look on his face when I mentioned I would be pulling a permit if I did the job. I'm sure when he gets my price and knows I want to pull a permit he'll just do the work himself. I'm going to make sure the city knows about the job even if he doesn't have me do it.

More and more it's seems to me that to make money as a contractor you can't do things legally and legitimately.

I got another call from a guy who told me he used to be an electrical contractor and had just gotten out of jail for insurance fraud or something like that and wanted to know if I was hiring electricians.
 
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aline said:
When I first started thinking about starting my own business I was currently working in a industrial plant. I worked nights and there was a GC, and 2 plumbers that worked nights with me.

One of the plumbers was a one man show and the other plumber had four guys working for him. Both were 100% legit, licensed and insured. Since I was considering starting my own business I was a bit troubled by the fact they had been working nights with me for 12 years now.

Why were they still working two jobs? Were they bored and didn't know what else to do with their time? Did they not get along with their wives? Did they have 10 kids at home? So I asked them why.

They both said they worked nights at the industrial plant for the benefits.
What they really meant by this is they don't charge enough and their business can't provide them with benefits like health insurance, retirement plans, vacation pay, sick leave pay, holiday pay, etc. So they work a second job so they can have these things.

There's another plumber in town that's running about 10 service trucks. He doesn't spend his nights working in an industrial plant for his benefit package. He's quite successful and has been featured in The Successful Contractor Magazine. He spends his evenings on his hobby of restoring old cars.

When I mentioned him to these plumbers I was working nights with they both said the guy charges too much and is a crook.

So I guess the only way to make money as a contractor is either become a crook and charge for silly things like health insurance plans, retirement plans, vacation pay, sick leave pay, holiday pay, ect. or get a second job so you'll have these things and be able to keep your prices down to a reasonable level and not become one of those high priced crooks.

There's an EC in my area that does a lot of new residential homes. He saves money by hiring anyone he can find to do the work for cash money under the table. That way he doesn't need to hire employees to do the work and have all the expenses that comes along with them. He wanted to know if I would be interested in wiring some of his houses for $25 under the table. He knows I'm a licensed contractor and he has the nerve to ask me this? What a joke. $25 an hour won't even but a dent in my overhead. I didn't quit my job at the industrial plant to become a contractor working for $25 an hour.

I went and looked at a job the other day. It's for a beauty salon. When I get there a landscaper truck is parked out front. The guy is a landscaper and works a bit slow for him right now so he's doing jobs like this. He said he was planning on doing the electrical himself but decided he wouldn't have the time. So he wanted a price from me for the work. He's not licensed to do the work and it's not legal for him to do the work. He still plans on doing the plumbing even though he's not licensed for it either.

He got a funny look on his face when I mentioned I would be pulling a permit if I did the job. I'm sure when he gets my price and knows I want to pull a permit he'll just do the work himself. I'm going to make sure the city knows about the job even if he doesn't have me do it.

More and more it's seems to me that to make money as a contractor you can't do things legally and legitimately.

I got another call from a guy who told me he used to be an electrical contractor and had just gotten out of jail for insurance fraud or something like that and wanted to know if I was hiring electricians.

Excellant information, but some guys just don't get it, a lot of them, are wage workers, and will never really underatand the true cost of operating a business until they are out there on their own with no life boats, like a full time job, with benifits and study employment, then think nothing of under cutting rates by operating illegal, then crying but I have a family, well good news so do all the other guys that have risked everything and pay all the ligit expenses, the side worker has no regard for the laws, or respect for anyone else, me me me!
 
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To add to my previous post. In my opinion most people who do side jobs will never charge enough to make the transistion from side jobs to going full time or they'll end up getting a second job after running their business for awhile and find out they can't make ends meet with the prices they're charging.

Some don't care if they ever make the transistion from doing side jobs to going full time with their business. Side jobs are just extra money and they have no desire or plan to ever start a full time business.

A few will realize they need to charge more, raise their prices and their business will be able to support itself, provide them with decent pay, and benefits.

Others will give up the full time business and will go back to work for someone else and continue to do side jobs. I would guess there are a lot of contractors out there that used to have a full time business but couldn't make ends meet and had to give it up to go back to work for someone else. They are now having to do side jobs to pay off all the debt they got themselves into trying to start their business.

The plumber I mentioned in the previous post that has 4 plumbers working for him used to just run his business but decided he need the night job so he could have the benefits his plumbing company couldn't provide for him.

My suggestion would be if you want to make the transistion from doing side jobs to running a full time business you need to figure out how much you would need to charge in order to support a full time business. You then need to start charging that much for your side jobs now.

If you can't sell your side jobs for that much now how do you expect to sell them for that much when you're in business full time and need to in order to stay in business?

If you can start selling your side jobs for that much now it should be a lot easier to make the transisition because you'll know you can get the price needed. You'll also be able put aside the extra money for working capital when you decide to make the transistion.

But like I said most people doing side work don't charge enough to be able to save up any working capital for their future business. They only charge enough for their current needs.

If you decide to go into business full time, will you be able to sell jobs at the price needed to stay in business or will you have no work because the side jobbers are under cutting your prices and you can't compete?
Will your current customer's continue to call you if you raise your prices or will they just find another side jobber to replace you?
 
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