Signage for manual transfer switch with portable Generator

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Does anyone know what the signage should read when you put a manual transfer switch and remote receptacle for a portable generator? At least here in New Jersey I am told that the signage is also required for portable, But I have no clue what it should say. If i plug the portable in it is by the meter anyhow you would have to trip over it or be deaf not to see and hear it.
 
finster1 said:
Does anyone know what the signage should read when you put a manual transfer switch and remote receptacle for a portable generator? At least here in New Jersey I am told that the signage is also required for portable, But I have no clue what it should say. If i plug the portable in it is by the meter anyhow you would have to trip over it or be deaf not to see and hear it.
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But is the disconnect by the meter? I would give all of the same information, but I would say something along the lines of "Caution, switch gear may be energized. Portable generator located......."
 
cowboyjwc said:
Yes for full time generators, he's talking about portables. We have some cell sites that have hook ups only for portables.
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702 is for optional standby systems and if the portable generator is connected to a premises wiring system then it is being used as an optional standby system and the whole of 702 would apply
 
cowboyjwc said:
Yes for full time generators, he's talking about portables. We have some cell sites that have hook ups only for portables.
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Agreed.
We have built a lot of cell sites with an exterior power inlet for a portable generator.
Not the first sign on any of them.
 
I think the signage requirement is rather new, perhaps 2005? I don't see NEC 702 differentiating between fixed or portable generators. If you have transfer equipment, I would think it applies. I find myself agreeing with jwelectric for once!
 
suemarkp said:
I think the signage requirement is rather new, perhaps 2005? I don't see NEC 702 differentiating between fixed or portable generators. If you have transfer equipment, I would think it applies. I find myself agreeing with jwelectric for once!
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WHAT! if you're agreeing with him, then your opinion means nothing here. :lol:
 
finster1 said:
Does anyone know what the signage should read when you put a manual transfer switch and remote receptacle for a portable generator? At least here in New Jersey I am told that the signage is also required for portable, But I have no clue what it should say. If i plug the portable in it is by the meter anyhow you would have to trip over it or be deaf not to see and hear it.
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The requirment is in 702.7 and the sign is required at the service equipment not the meter.
 
cowboyjwc said:
Our thought is, that a generator may never be used there.
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Not sure I follow what you mean,
Is it: Chances are a generator will never be plugged in there or
we would never allow a generator to be plugged in there?
 
On permanent standby gens

On permanent standby gens

The sign is really for utility workers and fireman so they can know that if they pull meter an alternate source can reenergize the circuits, so I think the meter is the best place with a redundant reminder on the panel. Do you guys agree? Still don't see the purpose because a portable is so noisy and in this case in site of the panel. Panel in garage remote plug right outside garage.
 
finster1 said:
The sign is really for utility workers and fireman so they can know that if they pull meter an alternate source can reenergize the circuits, so I think the meter is the best place with a redundant reminder on the panel. Do you guys agree? Still don't see the purpose because a portable is so noisy and in this case in site of the panel. Panel in garage remote plug right outside garage.
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The NEC doesn't think so as it's not even required.
 
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