Smoke alarms in Commercial kitchen

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Hello, I just got a call because insurance will cancel a restaurant for not having smoke alarms.
They have a fire suppression system.
I have not done a lot of commercial kitchen. I have only done the basic smoke alarms in a houses.
The report just says
Fully functional smoke alarms to be installed.
If you could possible point me if the right direction on what would be mandorty in This situation.
I will be looking on my part. Thanks
 
AC\DC said:
Hello, I just got a call because insurance will cancel a restaurant for not having smoke alarms.
They have a fire suppression system.
I have not done a lot of commercial kitchen. I have only done the basic smoke alarms in a houses.
The report just says
Fully functional smoke alarms to be installed.
If you could possible point me if the right direction on what would be mandorty in This situation.
I will be looking on my part. Thanks
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There's a module that needs to be set near the range hood. Some call it a beam module. It is an integral part of the fire suppression system.
You'll need to call a person that specializes in commercial range hoods or fire alarms. The FA guy is probably whom I would sub it out to.
The range hood people will likely charge a bunch of money then tell you what you need is not somethin they do.
 
Thank you James for the link I read through it and will do further research. Once I feel comfortable I might tackle in the future. Since he is in a time crunch I think I’ll just sub it out and work on his other issue.
 
If they are requiring smoke alarms, someone at the insurance company doesn't know what the heck they are talking about. Smoke alarms are what you put in your house on a 120VAC line with an interconnect wire, and battery backup at each alarm. Smoke detectors are low voltage devices connected to a supervising panel that annunciates alarm, supervisory and trouble conditions, sends a signal to the central station (if deployed), and rings the premises local notification devices. On top of that, no one who knows what they are doing would install smoke detectors in a commercial kitchen space. Heat detectors, yes.

It sounds like the underwriter has decided to go out on his own and usurp the statutory AHJ's jurisdiction. Sadly, the insurance company can require whatever they want. Once the fire alarm panel goes in, someone will have to hook the fire suppression system to the panel to indicate when the system is activated. This is done by using an addressable input module to monitor one of the relay outputs in the suppression system control head, or if you're using a conventional panel, directly hooking it to an indicating device circuit.
 
gadfly56 said:
If they are requiring smoke alarms, someone at the insurance company doesn't know what the heck they are talking about. Smoke alarms are what you put in your house on a 120VAC line with an interconnect wire, and battery backup at each alarm. Smoke detectors are low voltage devices connected to a supervising panel that annunciates alarm, supervisory and trouble conditions, sends a signal to the central station (if deployed), and rings the premises local notification devices. On top of that, no one who knows what they are doing would install smoke detectors in a commercial kitchen space. Heat detectors, yes.

It sounds like the underwriter has decided to go out on his own and usurp the statutory AHJ's jurisdiction. Sadly, the insurance company can require whatever they want. Once the fire alarm panel goes in, someone will have to hook the fire suppression system to the panel to indicate when the system is activated. This is done by using an addressable input module to monitor one of the relay outputs in the suppression system control head, or if you're using a conventional panel, directly hooking it to an indicating device circuit.
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Hi Gadfly,

I see you are PE in NJ, maybe you could help me with my concern.
I know engineers tend to install heat detectors in commercial kitchen.
I am designing a restaurant in NJ (07073 zip code), NJ state code, the Uniform Construction Code are applied.
Building is fully sprinklered. I cannot find a mandatory requirement for heat detectors for commercial kitchen.
I spent hours on reading BC 907, bulletin searching, Fire Code.
Do you know about any mandatory requirement for a heat detector in commercial kitchen for occupancy group A?

Thank you in advance
 
victor.cherkashi said:
Hi Gadfly,

I see you are PE in NJ, maybe you could help me with my concern.
I know engineers tend to install heat detectors in commercial kitchen.
I am designing a restaurant in NJ (07073 zip code), NJ state code, the Uniform Construction Code are applied.
Building is fully sprinklered. I cannot find a mandatory requirement for heat detectors for commercial kitchen.
I spent hours on reading BC 907, bulletin searching, Fire Code.
Do you know about any mandatory requirement for a heat detector in commercial kitchen for occupancy group A?

Thank you in advance
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Maybe I can help you out if you need. I am PE in NJ as well.
 
victor.cherkashi said:
Hi Gadfly,

I see you are PE in NJ, maybe you could help me with my concern.
I know engineers tend to install heat detectors in commercial kitchen.
I am designing a restaurant in NJ (07073 zip code), NJ state code, the Uniform Construction Code are applied.
Building is fully sprinklered. I cannot find a mandatory requirement for heat detectors for commercial kitchen.
I spent hours on reading BC 907, bulletin searching, Fire Code.
Do you know about any mandatory requirement for a heat detector in commercial kitchen for occupancy group A?

Thank you in advance
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Wow, I'm so sorry I missed this. I didn't intend to ghost you.

If the building is fully sprinklered, there's generally no requirement for a fire alarm system. There is a requirement to monitor the sprinkler system for waterflow and send the signal to a central station which then notifies the local FD. Since the easiest way to monitor the sprinkler system is to install a small fire alarm panel, you can monitor the suppression system with that panel as well and activate the necessary notification appliances when it trips.

When you consider it, the sprinkler is actually a heat detector, so in a way, it's compliant with the underwriter's goofy requirement.
 
We’ve built/remodeled probably close to a thousand restaurants. I would bet less than a dozen had a smoke alarms as part of a FACP, and they weren’t in the kitchen. And those that did have them were in shared spaces like a co-branded or mixed-use building.


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