smoke detectors won't stop beeping

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Mr. Serious

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Oklahoma, USA
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Quick question: my service call house today had older First Alert smoke detectors that were beeping, five little beeps in a row every minute. I found it means end-of-life signal, replace the smoke detector. So, I replaced all five of them in the house. Same brand, First Alert, so I could just use the old plugs and bases instead of replacing everything. Seemed to go really fast that way, but then at the end, one wouldn't stop beeping. Spent at least 20 minutes listening, looking all over the place for maybe another hidden one, wondering if it's a different one beeping each time. Because no matter which one I'm under, it seems like the beeping is coming from a different one.
So, anything else other than end-of life cause this beeping (five little beeps, once per minute)? Wiring error? I re-connected disconnected neutral wires behind two of the detectors while replacing them all. Wondering if something else is loose somewhere?

New detectors are all First Alert cat. no. 1039939 & 1039938 (both numbers are on the package).
 

James L

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Kansas Cty, Mo, USA
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Electrician
It could simply be a bad unit.
I don't see it often, but have more than a few times had one bad, right out of the box.

I had a bad one beeping a low battery warning.
Took it out to my van and took the battery out.
Then I forgot it was in there.
That thing beeped for 6 months with no battery

If you can't find the ventriloquist, take one out and put it out of earshot, then wait.

Try that until you've isolated the bad one.
 

kwired

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NE Nebraska
Are the new ones giving the "five beep" signal?

I've had brand new ones signaling low battery when first installed because of either low battery or poor battery contact. But low battery signal is just one beep not five.
 

tthh

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Denver
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You're gonna laugh at this one...neighbor and friend had a beeping one...I was out of town...his wife took it down and pulled battery and even put it under a pillow, but the beeping in the house still continued...they had out of town guests coming....I'm back in town now and I'm on the phone with friend and said, something's going on...went over there at 11PM...it was a low battery warning from a plug-in-CO detector they had mounted on the wall below a smoke detector on the ceiling.
 

Little Bill

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Had something similar. Got a call that something was beeping. They only had a couple of battery operated smokes, no hardwired ones. Neither of these were beeping. They did have an alarm system that the HO tried to disconnect. I heard the beep after standing there for a while. I waited till I heard it again to try and zone in on the location. It sounded like it was in the room with the alarm panel. Although the alarm had been mostly disabled from power, it still had a battery in it. So I thought maybe the alarm system battery was the cause of the beeping. I removed it and waited. Then the beeping started again.

I asked them if they had anything else that beeped in the house. Their answer was no. I listened again for the beep and heard it. It was coming from the area I thought to start with, the area/room where the alarm system was. I stayed there through several more beeps and finally found it. I found a plastic bag from a Box store and opened it. In it I found an old smoke alarm that the battery was weak in! They didn't even know/remember it was there!
 

Fred B

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Upstate, NY
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Electrician
I wouldn't rule out an old end of life item. With supply shortages many suppliers have dug deep under shelving to find something to sell. Check the date stamp on the bottom underside. I've had that even before shortage, "brand new" from store set it up and less than a month was getting the beeps pulled it down and checked the date stamp only to find it was "old".
 

goldstar

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New Jersey
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Electrical Contractor
Similar thing happened with the same product several years ago. I removed ALL the old smoke alarms and started installing new ones (both smoke and combo). I tested each one immediately after installing it. Everything was working fine. By the time I got to about the fifth one ALL the units wouldn't stop going into alarm. I started pulling them out and laying them on the dresser in the bedrooms. They wouldn't stop. I called tech support and they were still in alarm after 20 minutes. I took them all down and drove them back to the supply house. Some were still in alarm when I got there.

Impossible ? Defective ? Poltergeist ?

Last time I used that brand !!! :cool:
 

Dennis Alwon

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You're gonna laugh at this one...neighbor and friend had a beeping one...I was out of town...his wife took it down and pulled battery and even put it under a pillow, but the beeping in the house still continued...they had out of town guests coming....I'm back in town now and I'm on the phone with friend and said, something's going on...went over there at 11PM...it was a low battery warning from a plug-in-CO detector they had mounted on the wall below a smoke detector on the ceiling.

I had the exact same thing happen. They told me the wiring was beeping. I laughed went there and sure enough they had them all down but there was beeping in the hall. Plugged in was the co detector beeping away. I felt terrible to have to charge them but I did sleep well that night haha
 

Fred B

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Upstate, NY
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Electrician
Similar thing happened with the same product several years ago. I removed ALL the old smoke alarms and started installing new ones (both smoke and combo). I tested each one immediately after installing it. Everything was working fine. By the time I got to about the fifth one ALL the units wouldn't stop going into alarm. I started pulling them out and laying them on the dresser in the bedrooms. They wouldn't stop. I called tech support and they were still in alarm after 20 minutes. I took them all down and drove them back to the supply house. Some were still in alarm when I got there.

Impossible ? Defective ? Poltergeist ?

Last time I used that brand !!! :cool:
Had one exactly like that, even after removing battery kept beeping for more that 2 hrs on the shelf. Thought the same #3.
 

RCC1

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When removing a beeping alarm, it will quit beeping if you remove the battery and then hold the test button down.

I had one where the lady had removed the detector and the battery. She kept telling me the box or wiring it the basement ceiling was beeping. For a while she had me believing the someone had installed another one above her suspended ceiling. Could not see any other additional wiring up there. Finally found she had installed a 9 Volt battery operated wet floor detector on the other side of the wall (was taped to the side of the water heater (battery was low).
 

Mr. Serious

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Oklahoma, USA
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Electrical Contractor
Yes, there is still a "five chirps in a row" beep coming from somewhere. I will remove the two or three in the area where it seems to be coming from, and try to isolate the problem. And check date codes.
 

Jraef

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5 beeps is also the End of Life signal for the First Alert CO monitors. Check for one in a closet with the heater. Your not supposed to put them in there, but people do.

If it’s not that, then here’s how to find the offender. When you get the 5 beeps, pushing the Silence button turns it off for 2 days. So right after you here it, push one to silence it. If you wait and still here it again, push the next one. Keep doing that until the 5 beeps stop, that’s the one that was defective. First Alert will replace it.
 

Knuckle Dragger

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Marlborough, Massachusetts USA
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You're gonna laugh at this one...neighbor and friend had a beeping one...I was out of town...his wife took it down and pulled battery and even put it under a pillow, but the beeping in the house still continued...they had out of town guests coming....I'm back in town now and I'm on the phone with friend and said, something's going on...went over there at 11PM...it was a low battery warning from a plug-in-CO detector they had mounted on the wall below a smoke detector on the ceiling.
It happens way to often.
 

Mr. Serious

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Oklahoma, USA
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Electrical Contractor
I went out there again this morning to find and fix the problem. A description of the house: walk in through the front door and you're in a wide foyer/hall area, two bedrooms off to the left with a bathroom in between them (bathroom doors open into the bedrooms), a laundry room to the right, and the door to the garage at the other end of the laundry room, and at the end of the hallway it opens out into a large open living room open to attached kitchen area and dinette on the left, door to the master suite on the opposite side (right side as you walk in from the front hall). Five smoke detectors total, one in each bedroom, one in the living room near the master bedroom (opposite side from the kitchen area) and one in the entry hall.

Yesterday evening, I kept going back and forth from the second bedroom, which was straight across from the laundry entrance, to the front part of the foyer, standing under each smoke detector, and each minute when the five beeps came, it sounded like it was coming from the other one. And a couple of times I went into the front bedroom, but no matter where I was, I heard the beeps from somewhere else. At the entry to the second bedroom, there's a little cubby with the air return in the ceiling, going to the furnace in the attic. I went up in the attic twice, verified the beeping wasn't from up there, and followed some of the smoke detector wires while I was up there. There was no evidence of a sixth smoke detector hooked into the system, and yet the beeping continued, every minute, five beeps. I even looked in the air return a couple of times, but nothing, just flex duct heading off to the furnace.

This morning I got there with my plan being to remove smoke detectors and set them outside the house until I found which one was beeping. Also verify the date codes were good. So, I went ahead and did it, removed all three of the detectors in the front area of the house, and then even the one in the living room because one time it sounded like the beeping was coming from there. In the middle of putting the new smoke detectors outside the front of the house, I also set all five of the old ones outside (in back instead of in front so they wouldn't get mixed up with the new ones). They no longer had batteries, but the homeowner said maybe they could still beep. Better be safe and just set all of them outside, to eliminate the possibility the beeps were coming from them.

And, after setting four of the new detectors and all five of the old detectors outside, there was still the beep inside the house, every minute. On the wall next to the air return was a closet door. I opened it up, and the beeping was a lot louder in there. So, it had to be an old detector still in the box, maybe, in the closet. We looked for a good 10 or 15 minutes, even after deciding it had to be in the closet. Emptied everything out of the closet, looked through all the boxes, and finally after the wife left and just the husband was still there, I got out a clear plastic bowl full of junk, that she had already gone through, and as I pulled it out, the beeping was loud enough to hurt my ears, from the plastic bowl. At the very bottom of the bowl, underneath all the other junk, was an old carbon monoxide detector, smaller than the smoke detectors and rectangular rather than round, and it looked like it had never even been installed, it still had a plastic covering over the screen permanently marked with some LCD-looking numbers for display, with the fake LCD numbers showing "68," but the real LCD underneath showing "End."

And that was it, that was most likely the whole problem from the start. The new smoke detectors were labeled "2021 NOVEMBER 18" and the old ones said some date in 2014, so they weren't at end of life yet.

I charged the homeowners for two hours of labor and the new detectors. I think I was actually on site for over three hours total. But, they were happy with my work, and so everything was OK in the end. And now I know what to look for, next time this happens. Just a little while ago, I got another call from someone with a very similar problem, and I described to him what to look for, and said I could work on it on Monday if he can't figure it out by then.
 

Knuckle Dragger

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Location
Marlborough, Massachusetts USA
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Electrical Contractor
I went out there again this morning to find and fix the problem. A description of the house: walk in through the front door and you're in a wide foyer/hall area, two bedrooms off to the left with a bathroom in between them (bathroom doors open into the bedrooms), a laundry room to the right, and the door to the garage at the other end of the laundry room, and at the end of the hallway it opens out into a large open living room open to attached kitchen area and dinette on the left, door to the master suite on the opposite side (right side as you walk in from the front hall). Five smoke detectors total, one in each bedroom, one in the living room near the master bedroom (opposite side from the kitchen area) and one in the entry hall.

Yesterday evening, I kept going back and forth from the second bedroom, which was straight across from the laundry entrance, to the front part of the foyer, standing under each smoke detector, and each minute when the five beeps came, it sounded like it was coming from the other one. And a couple of times I went into the front bedroom, but no matter where I was, I heard the beeps from somewhere else. At the entry to the second bedroom, there's a little cubby with the air return in the ceiling, going to the furnace in the attic. I went up in the attic twice, verified the beeping wasn't from up there, and followed some of the smoke detector wires while I was up there. There was no evidence of a sixth smoke detector hooked into the system, and yet the beeping continued, every minute, five beeps. I even looked in the air return a couple of times, but nothing, just flex duct heading off to the furnace.

This morning I got there with my plan being to remove smoke detectors and set them outside the house until I found which one was beeping. Also verify the date codes were good. So, I went ahead and did it, removed all three of the detectors in the front area of the house, and then even the one in the living room because one time it sounded like the beeping was coming from there. In the middle of putting the new smoke detectors outside the front of the house, I also set all five of the old ones outside (in back instead of in front so they wouldn't get mixed up with the new ones). They no longer had batteries, but the homeowner said maybe they could still beep. Better be safe and just set all of them outside, to eliminate the possibility the beeps were coming from them.

And, after setting four of the new detectors and all five of the old detectors outside, there was still the beep inside the house, every minute. On the wall next to the air return was a closet door. I opened it up, and the beeping was a lot louder in there. So, it had to be an old detector still in the box, maybe, in the closet. We looked for a good 10 or 15 minutes, even after deciding it had to be in the closet. Emptied everything out of the closet, looked through all the boxes, and finally after the wife left and just the husband was still there, I got out a clear plastic bowl full of junk, that she had already gone through, and as I pulled it out, the beeping was loud enough to hurt my ears, from the plastic bowl. At the very bottom of the bowl, underneath all the other junk, was an old carbon monoxide detector, smaller than the smoke detectors and rectangular rather than round, and it looked like it had never even been installed, it still had a plastic covering over the screen permanently marked with some LCD-looking numbers for display, with the fake LCD numbers showing "68," but the real LCD underneath showing "End."

And that was it, that was most likely the whole problem from the start. The new smoke detectors were labeled "2021 NOVEMBER 18" and the old ones said some date in 2014, so they weren't at end of life yet.

I charged the homeowners for two hours of labor and the new detectors. I think I was actually on site for over three hours total. But, they were happy with my work, and so everything was OK in the end. And now I know what to look for, next time this happens. Just a little while ago, I got another call from someone with a very similar problem, and I described to him what to look for, and said I could work on it on Monday if he can't figure it out by then.
It happens a lot.
 

mopowr steve

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NW Ohio
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Electrical contractor
I had a funny one some time ago,
Had a retired lady down the street that used to have a friend over to play cards often.
She tells me she heard a smoke detector chirping the last couple times she played cards. I get there and I too was convinced that what I was hearing was a chirp from a smoke detector. And like many, I too had a hard time determining where I was hearing it come from so I just changed the batteries in all her detectors.

She calls again a week later with the same problem and after about an hour of just sitting and listening while they were playing cards it seemed to me it was coming from under the table. And wouldn’t you know it, that when she would lean just right to pick up a card the table squeaked with a sound exactly like the chirp of a smoke detector.
 
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