frankelectric
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What is the NEC article number for the regulation of one somke detector on each room of a dwelling unit?
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bobserrano
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Bill Annett
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Hi.
Smoke detector placement is not in the NEC. In the state of WV it is in the 2003 International Residential Code section R313.
Bill Annett
Smoke detector placement is not in the NEC. In the state of WV it is in the 2003 International Residential Code section R313.
Bill Annett
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physis
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It's kind a funny really. I mean considering all the AFCI requirements. After all, smoke detectors are well proven to acually do some good. Both smokes and AFCI's are associated with fire protection or defence but the "NFPA" (I forget what that means") only cares about the one that really doesn't help and completely ignores the one that does. It just seems so odd.
RICK NAPIER
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The codes most likely to apply depending on what your state approves is the IRC 313 or 2007 NFPA 72 chapter 11 particularly 11.5 and 11.8.
davidaengelhart
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There is no NEC article for smoke detector locations.
Smoke detector locations are located in NFPA 72, the Fire Alarm Code. Further, "smoke detectors" are part of a fire alarm system. "Smoke Alarms" are typically to be located in each bedroom of a dwelling unit part NPFA 72 section 11.5.1. The Florida Building Code has adopted NFPA 72 as a standard for enforcement.
Lack of proper terminology leads to misinterpretations.
Pierre C Belarge
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Smoke alarms/detectors save/protect people.
AFCIs protect conductors/circuits.
That is why one is in the NEC and the other is in the building codes.
physis
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I pretty much agree the NEC protects buildings rather than people. But I'd still argue whether an AFCI does either.
cycotcskir
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90.1 (A) - Practical Safeguarding. The purpose of this code is the practical safeguarding of persons and property from hazards arising from the use of electricity.
Isn't fire an inherent risk associated with the use of electricity?
Isn't electrical fire a "hazard arising from the use..."
Isn'e the NEC part of the NFirePA?
It seems to me that this should fall under the scope of the NEC. I'm not sure why they don't include it, but i think they should. All they would need to do is repeat what is in the other codes and make mention of the reference. I think that would be a good inclusion.
Heck, we already have 800+ pages, what's 2 more gonna hurt?
Sure.... why not.
AFCI and GFCI protection on all circuits. No exeptions. And let's put carbon-monoxide detectors in there as well. COs in every room.
Why stop there? Natural gas and propane burn, so they're covered by the NFPA as well..... so let's put combustible gas detectors in buildings!
Notice a trend here?
cycotcskir
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Nice collection. Is it yours, or just a pic of someone else's?
I know... Where will it end? I realize that that is the other side of the coin, but smokes for cryin out loud. Smokes are at the heart of fire protection for the people that the NFPA is intending to protect.
Look at the definition of GFCI "...protection of personnel..." if they are willing to enact codes requiring GFCI protection to protect people from shock, than why not smokes. It would probably only be a few paragraphs long in reality.
To me, it seems far too relevant to be excluded.
When a house burns down, what is usually the reason given? Electrical fire... unless you live in Ca. then it's forest fire. :wink:
I know... Where will it end? I realize that that is the other side of the coin, but smokes for cryin out loud. Smokes are at the heart of fire protection for the people that the NFPA is intending to protect.
Look at the definition of GFCI "...protection of personnel..." if they are willing to enact codes requiring GFCI protection to protect people from shock, than why not smokes. It would probably only be a few paragraphs long in reality.
To me, it seems far too relevant to be excluded.
When a house burns down, what is usually the reason given? Electrical fire... unless you live in Ca. then it's forest fire. :wink:
peter d
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Yes, the NEC is not nearly as colorful as it used to be.
It's mine.
Of course, the forest fire was started by electriciy. I think I'll write a proposal for the '14 to require lightning-fault protection in wooded areas. :grin:
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