Soda fountain machine

[hhsting]

Are soda fountain machine ul listed as vending machine? I have one in restaurant in dining area direct wired does not accept money people just go with glass to get soda and was wondering gfci would be required.

 

[GoldDigger]

If is self-service but does not accept money, I do not see it as being a vending machine. I would call it a dispenser instead.

 

[hhsting]

If is self-service but does not accept money, I do not see it as being a vending machine. I would call it a dispenser instead.

Its like this: you pay cashier who then gives you cup and then you get soda

 

[GoldDigger]

Its like this: you pay cashier who then gives you cup and then you get soda

Definitely not a vending machine. But it is covered by some rules somewhere.

 

[augie47]

The UL White Book listing (TSYA) includes "dispensing by manual operation". The key would be to see if it's listed as an "appliance", The ones I have seen are and GFCI was required.

 

[hhsting]

The UL White Book listing (TSYA) includes "dispensing by manual operation". The key would be to see if it's listed as an "appliance", The ones I have seen are and GFCI was required.

If I had the soft drink fountain datasheet then where does it say UL listed as appliance or vending machine?

 

[augie47]

Likely only on the equipment nameplate.
If you are doing plans review, do the plans call for GFCI ?
If so, I wouldn't question it. If not, your inspector should catch it in the field.

 

[hhsting]

Likely only on the equipment nameplate.
If you are doing plans review, do the plans call for GFCI ?
If so, I wouldn't question it. If not, your inspector should catch it in the field.

Plans don’t call for gfci. However I have other items for which plans need to be sent back.

Dont have nameplate. However I was wondering if the equipment datasheet would have something

I do see if its listed as vending machine then require gfci. However I dont see if its listed as appliance require gfci in NEC 2017?

 

[augie47]

I agree.. I mis-stated.. IF it's listed as a vending machine, (or in a food prep area as defined as "kitchen") GFCI. If not no.
It will likely end up being a field call by the inspector.

 

[roger]

If that is plug and cord connected unit it has no business being part of a code review. The only thing you need to be concerned with is whether the area it is to be located in requires GFCI protection of the receptacle.

As an aside, newer vending machines are required to have integral GFCI protection

Roger

 

[Fred B]

If that is plug and cord connected unit it has no business being part of a code review. The only thing you need to be concerned with is whether the area it is to be located in requires GFCI protection of the receptacle.

As an aside, newer vending machines are required to have integral GFCI protection

Roger

True can't control what gets plugged into an outlet. Just like an arguement that HO is only going to plug in a refrigerator in an outlet in kitchen within the 6ft of sink. Or business owner that has a room with stove, sink and refrigerator, but claims it not a kitchen to avoid meeting those requirements.

 

[hhsting]

Soda dispenser is direct wired. Its located in dining area accessible to public and it is Not within six feet of sink

 

[roger]

Soda dispenser is direct wired. Its located in dining area accessible to public and it is Not within six feet of sink

Then no GFCI required unless the manufacturer specs call for it .

Rogee

 

[Hoodood]

Seems commercial so there should be an EE involved. Cover yourself and throw it on him before you install.

 

[augie47]

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