Special receptacles for alum wiring

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fkelly

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I referred my client to a licensed electrician but told him I would do some research.
Are the Leviton receptacles (the $5 ones) that are designed for use with aluminum wire a reasonable fix? Better or worse than pigtailing? Is there any mitigation that is needed at light fixtures?
 
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al hildenbrand

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fkelly said:
Are the Leviton receptacles (the $5 ones) that are designed for use with aluminum wire a reasonable fix?
Welcome to the Forum.

I believe you are referring to CO/ALR rated devices.

In my opinion, your questions, about aluminum branch circuit wiring for 15 and 20 amp residential branch circuits, beg complex and opinion based answers.

You can arrive at your own opinion, but it will be little more than that. There is no "best" solution. And, I certainly don't believe that there is a recommendation that one can generalize on to give to the client, other than to have a competent licensed electrician personally evaluate the premises wiring.

I think you did the correct thing by referring the client to an electrician.
 

fkelly

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Thanks Al, yes, they are the CO/ALR rated receptacles. I always refer the aluminum 15 and 20 amp to a "licensed electrician familiar with aluminum wiring", but I have to say, I'm surprised there is no generally accepted solution. Your post makes me believe that 4 different electricians may give my client 4 different opinions, all of which are only "opinions". Is this correct or am i mis-reading your post?
 

al hildenbrand

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fkelly said:
I'm surprised there is no generally accepted solution.
The wild card, in my opinion, with respect to #12 and #10 gage aluminum branch circuit wiring in dwellings, especially in dwellings "of a certain age" (late Sixties thru early Seventies), is the perception of risk on the part of the Electrical Contractor examining the job.

Some Electrical Contractors will simply not work on aluminum #12 & #10 branch circuit cables, except to remove them and replace them with copper cables.

The perception is a highly subjective thing and it informs the business decisions behind the nature of the repairs an individual Electrical Contractor will offer to a client.

The type of installation originally done in a given dwelling will also contribute to an Electrical Contractor's evaluation and repair recommendation. The original workmanship and, in particular, box volume calculations (or lack thereof), can be a source of difficulty, difficulty hindering simple repair.

When I apprenticed in the late Sixties, I did a fair amount of new construction electrical for single family dwellings. Some of the dwellings were wired with aluminum, throughout, because of the cost of copper. I clearly remember the "hammer handle" technique of making up three 10/2 NMs in a 16 in? wall case.

Brrrrr-r-r-r-r! I shudder when I think about it.

If I examined that box today, and attempted to install a pigtailed GFCI (it was at the kitchen counter -- GFCIs are not readily available with a CO/ALR rating), I'd have to put a box in with many more cubic inches.

Kind of a set of dominoes falling.

The original assembly conditions lead to the Code condition leads to an eventual solution for a specific assembly.

The original assembly drives the solution. In my opinion, no generalization, other than that, is possible. The fact that aluminum wire was used is only a part of the problem.

An alternative to rebuilding an assembly is to replace the aluminum branch circuit cable, which, depending upon the labor of the specific installation, may be cheaper than reusing the aluminum.

Given your business, you may wish to interview a couple "aluminum specialist" Electrical Contractors to have on a short list for the occasional problem house. The correct repairs will almost always be "too expensive", and the clients can always get someone else who will tell them what they want to hear, but you won't be the source of the bad information.
 

fkelly

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Excellent clarification, thanks! I have asked the client to be kept in the loop and will be interested in what the electrician has to say. The homeowner had put in the CO/ALR receptacles. I told my client there was more to it than that and this wasn't a homeowner or handyman fix.
I'm not sure there are any aluminum specialists around here but will try calling a few electricians.
The last one of these I had, I found out later the electrician "fixed" it for $250, I just shook my head. This was the reason for my question, Is it really that simple? I didn't think so.
 
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