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Splice/Tap

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Alwayslearningelec

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Good morning.

1. Is this a splice or tap in the trough?
2. Can this be done or is there issue with wire sizes/amperage?

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It's a tap. The only potential problem would be making sure the #4s abide by the 240.21 tap rule.

side note: The (2) sets of 3/0 with a #3G doesn't seem correct. If they are paralleling 3/0s the #3G would be too small.
 
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There are a few problems with this.
From FC-11 you have a 300 amp OCPD with one set of #3/0 so the wire is too small.
The tap to LP-1 has an EGC that's too small.
The parallel #3/0's are in a single raceway so it appears that they have applied derating to them but the EGC may not be the correct size.
 
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infinity said:
There are a few problems with this.
From FC-11 you have a 300 amp OCPD with one set of #3/0 so the wire is too small.
The tap to LP-1 has an EGC that's too small.
The parallel #3/0's are in a single raceway so it appears that they have applied derating to them but the EGC may not be the correct size.
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To add, on either side of the Jbox above the trough, it denotes a single set of 3/0 in 2" conduit and 2 sets of 3/0 in 3" conduit. Not sure what is going on there.
 
infinity

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Yeah there is something wrong here. My guess is that the 300 amp OCPD has only a single set of terminals so they couldn't parallel out of the FC-11. If they change the #3/0 to 350 kcmil it works.
 
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Alwayslearningelec

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infinity said:
There are a few problems with this.
From FC-11 you have a 300 amp OCPD with one set of #3/0 so the wire is too small.
The tap to LP-1 has an EGC that's too small.
The parallel #3/0's are in a single raceway so it appears that they have applied derating to them but the EGC may not be the correct size.
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No I think it's intended to mean 2-3" That's what 2 sets indicates.
 
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Tulsa Electrician

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Sure hope they don't need 3 phase with a neutral.

There either running single phase with a neutral or three phase no neutral.

I bet if they feed trailers they need a neutral. Yet the panel is 3 phase 4 wire.

Nice to see what the feeder schedule says.

🤔 lots of questions there.
 
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Tulsa Electrician said:
Sure hope they don't need 3 phase with a neutral.

There either running single phase with a neutral or three phase no neutral.

I bet if they feed trailers they need a neutral. Yet the panel is 3 phase 4 wire.

Nice to see what the feeder schedule says.

🤔 lots of questions there.
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Good catch. They obviously need a neutral for the panel LP-1.
 
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Elect117

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I would also verify the stuff regarding the #4 feeding a panelboard with no MCB. I can not see the breakers in the board but I imagine they will not meet the rules.

240.21(B) / 408.36

Do not reduce the EGC size on a tap. 250.122(G). You size the EGC based on the OCPD for ahead of the tap.


I also have never seen someone confuse pole and breaker before. kind of odd to have a 12 pole mark on the panelboard when they probably mean 12 breakers. The 7 pole on the first board would imply they are all single pole breakers? or are they 3 pole breakers and they have a 21 pole board? I think they are confused. Or I am.
 
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