Splicing ground wire to service entrance
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pierre
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Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
It can be spliced with an 'irreversible' connector, such as Cadwel or a crimp type.
Bugs, lugs and otherwise are not permitted.
Pierre
It can be spliced with an 'irreversible' connector, such as Cadwel or a crimp type.
Bugs, lugs and otherwise are not permitted.
Pierre
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Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
No it is not an exothemic weld. Under a fault condtion, the high current would melt the solder.
If its a stranded wire, then you can use a listed compression connector, with the correct tool, if its solid you'l have to use a exothermic weld. Erico or caddy makes a one shot that costs about $10. Or a local contractor will have the compression tool or cadweld molds.
No it is not an exothemic weld. Under a fault condtion, the high current would melt the solder.
If its a stranded wire, then you can use a listed compression connector, with the correct tool, if its solid you'l have to use a exothermic weld. Erico or caddy makes a one shot that costs about $10. Or a local contractor will have the compression tool or cadweld molds.
ryan_618
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Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
I may take some heat for this, but I have allowed a set screw but splice to work, if the set screws are ground off after they are set.
I may take some heat for this, but I have allowed a set screw but splice to work, if the set screws are ground off after they are set.
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Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
Sounds like a product in the making. it is irreversible, and it is compression. Its just not what the CMP had in mind, but it meets the literal text.
Sounds like a product in the making. it is irreversible, and it is compression. Its just not what the CMP had in mind, but it meets the literal text.
ryan_618
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Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
Originally posted by jro:
Ryan, no heat from here, but I have to ask was this installation inspected?
Notice in my post that ...I ALLOWED...
[ September 19, 2003, 08:36 PM: Message edited by: ryan_618 ]
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The ground has to be contiuous. It can be tapped, but it has to be continuous.
ryan_618
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Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
And how exactly would I be permitted to fail this installation? As an inspector, I am limited to enforcing the provisions of the NEC, whether I like the installation or not. The fact of the matter is...it is pressure and it is irreversible. I get tired of hearing about inspectors enforcing more than the code, but yet when I allow something that meets the code I still hear about it. Now...why should the gods of electricity be angry?Originally posted by jro:
Ryan if you were a US Marine it would be ok, a Marine will always adapt to the situation, but if you are not, then may the gods of electricity bring shame upon you.
Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
Ryan you are manufacturing something that is not approved for this use, you as an inspector should know that is against NEC rules, it would be like making a sheetmetal cover for a loadcenter out of some scrap piece of sheetmetal on the job site, just because John Doe thinks it is ok, anyway loadcenter covers are made out of sheet metal. If I would have inspected the work you are referring to I would have turned it down, and I would never allow myself or one of my workers to make such an installation, now if you feel I am wrong in my stance on this, then we should all just throw away our code books, not require inspections, and do electrical work the way we see fit, see Ryan, you can make electricity flow thru wires and turn on a light, the question is, is?this installation safe and within the rules of the NEC.
[ September 20, 2003, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: jro ]
Ryan you are manufacturing something that is not approved for this use, you as an inspector should know that is against NEC rules, it would be like making a sheetmetal cover for a loadcenter out of some scrap piece of sheetmetal on the job site, just because John Doe thinks it is ok, anyway loadcenter covers are made out of sheet metal. If I would have inspected the work you are referring to I would have turned it down, and I would never allow myself or one of my workers to make such an installation, now if you feel I am wrong in my stance on this, then we should all just throw away our code books, not require inspections, and do electrical work the way we see fit, see Ryan, you can make electricity flow thru wires and turn on a light, the question is, is?this installation safe and within the rules of the NEC.
[ September 20, 2003, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: jro ]
ryan_618
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Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
And exactly what code article would you cite? You seem to be one of these people that get upset when an inspector makes you do something that is above and beyond the code, and yet if you were an inspector you would be one of the people that you upset you. WHAT CODE ARTICLE WOULD YOU CITE???
What did I manufacture? I approve a listed fitting, used within the parameters of its listing and now the "electrical gods should bring shame on me"?
Is this installation safe and within the rules of the NEC? YES! Please, please prove to me otherwise...
And exactly what code article would you cite? You seem to be one of these people that get upset when an inspector makes you do something that is above and beyond the code, and yet if you were an inspector you would be one of the people that you upset you. WHAT CODE ARTICLE WOULD YOU CITE???
What did I manufacture? I approve a listed fitting, used within the parameters of its listing and now the "electrical gods should bring shame on me"?
Is this installation safe and within the rules of the NEC? YES! Please, please prove to me otherwise...
charlie
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Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
Ryan, as the AHJ, you may approve alternate methods. Granted, the listing for the connector was voided when it was modified. However, the connector was used in a manner that was consistent with its listing, it was made irreversible, and it was approved. The electrical gods will not get mad at anyone, the Code was fully complied with since the Code doesn't require the use of a listed connector.
Everyone repeat after me, "The inspector is always correct."
Ryan, as the AHJ, you may approve alternate methods. Granted, the listing for the connector was voided when it was modified. However, the connector was used in a manner that was consistent with its listing, it was made irreversible, and it was approved. The electrical gods will not get mad at anyone, the Code was fully complied with since the Code doesn't require the use of a listed connector.
Everyone repeat after me, "The inspector is always correct."
Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
Where in the NEC did we take away the inspectors common sense, knowledge, experience, and education to deem an installation safe.
To the "listing thumpers" you are showing your insecurity. :roll:
Roger
[ September 20, 2003, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
Where in the NEC did we take away the inspectors common sense, knowledge, experience, and education to deem an installation safe.
To the "listing thumpers" you are showing your insecurity. :roll:
Roger
[ September 20, 2003, 06:58 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
charlie
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Re: Splicing ground wire to service entrance
From a former USAF Nuclear Weapons Specialist: No, but it was approved by the AHJ. Repeat after me . . .
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I was building a house once and we drilled an extra pier hole for the foundation. The inspector asked why we drilled the extra hole. We said it couldn't hurt to drill an extra hole. He said we needed to re-engineer the foundation. We attempted to negotiate, but he held firm. We quickly filled in the hold before he left and he signed off on the inspection. He never asked us to fill in the hole. We came up with our own solution. Nobody got hurt.
iceman2610
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I would have to side with Charlie on this matter. I have never spliced a ground wire, but have heard of it in this exact manner.
I would have to side with Charlie on this matter. I have never spliced a ground wire, but have heard of it in this exact manner.
I like your attitude.Originally posted by charlie:
Everyone repeat after me, "The inspector is always correct."
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