Sprinkler room with fire pump general purpose receptacle

[hhsting]

I have sprinkler room that also has fire pump has 120V duplex general receptacle in it. The plans shows it as GFCI. The reasoning according to engineer is that it is indoor wet location because when sprinkler go off its wet so based off of 210.8(b) requires gfci.Also it has electrical fire pump in the room

I am having trouble understand how its indoor wet location. If its indoor wet location then it also requires weather proof enclosure too

Can anyone here think it is indoor wet location or not? I am not sure

 

[LarryFine]

It's not normally a wet location because it's normally not a wet location.

 

[packersparky]

I have sprinkler room that also has fire pump has 120V duplex general receptacle in it. The plans shows it as GFCI. The reasoning according to engineer is that it is indoor wet location because when sprinkler go off its wet so based off of 210.8(b) requires gfci.Also it has electrical fire pump in the room

I am having trouble understand how its indoor wet location. If its indoor wet location then it also requires weather proof enclosure too

Can anyone here think it is indoor wet location or not? I am not sure

By the engineers reasoning, any room in the building with a sprinkler head in it would be a wet location.

 

[hhsting]

By the engineers reasoning, any room in the building with a sprinkler head in it would be a wet location.

Thats exactly what i was thinking too! Just didnt say it to the engineer yet dont want to be rude or seem arrogant

 

[Tulsa Electrician]

He probably sould have said. It's a maintenance recpt for equipment and this requires GFCI protection for personal.

 

[hhsting]

He probably sould have said. It's a maintenance recpt for equipment and this requires GFCI protection for personal.

But he has tied the receptacle to normal source only and has not tied to the life and safety emergency circuit? Any code requirement for this

 

[Tulsa Electrician]

Since I don't have a book in front of me right now and may be incorrect.
My thoughts would be there is a service disc in that room. If so than a recpt is required. I will read closer when I get to a book for code reference.
I thinking 210.63 may apply.
If so then a GFCI receptacle would be required if under 2020.

 

[hhsting]

Since I don't have a book in front of me right now and may be incorrect.
My thoughts would be there is a service disc in that room. If so than a recpt is required. I will read closer when I get to a book for code reference.
I thinking 210.63 may apply.
If so then a GFCI receptacle would be required if under 2020.

Yes room has service disco fire pump. We are on NEC 2017 so i dont see need for gfci. Does the receptacle need to be on emergency circuit or normal circuit is ok?

 

[rc/retired]

No GFCI protection required and normal power ok.

Ron

 

[infinity]

It's not a wet location. The water stays inside of the pipe under normal conditions.

 

[Suzuki360]

So I'm guessing here but if it's considered wet once it's activated then so is the entire building right. Someone isn't understanding the code correctly. And if it's getting wet once activated Someone has a huge leak because the pipe work delivers the water to the active head on a wet system. Every head does not start spraying like in the movies. Ok I know there are pre-action and a few others that do spray but I don't want to get that far off track. Point is I don't believe it's a wet location. However DAMP

 

[gadfly56]

So sure, a fire pump room isn't really a wet location. However, there is many a slip betwixt theory and practice. Fire pumps undergo periodic testing and maintenance, often involving water getting all over the place. It wouldn't be a bad idea to install the receptacle as if it were a wet location, even if it's not strictly required.

 

[tom baker]

What about the other wiring in the FP room? Is it NEMA 3R or 4? Rain tite compression fittings? FS Boxes?

 

[rc/retired]

And if,

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[infinity]

What about the other wiring in the FP room? Is it NEMA 3R or 4? Rain tite compression fittings? FS Boxes?

Usually no. Nothing in the room is designed for wet locations except for maybe the controller.

 

[gadfly56]

Usually no. Nothing in the room is designed for wet locations except for maybe the controller.

Yes, the controller is usually a 3R. Which should tell you something about how the fire pump folks view things.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

It is common practice for some designers to require all 15 and 20 amp 125 volt receptacles installed in any type of equipment room to have GFCI protection.

 

[tom baker]

A GFCI receptacle is $15. In the end who cares? Approve and move on,

 

[hillbilly1]

If the fire pump isn’t leaking, something’s wrong with it! The seals are designed to leak to keep them from drying out. That’s why there is usually a cup and drain under the pump bearing, still doesn’t make it a wet location, just damp as others have said. OSHA regs might require it since it’s a maintenance receptacle. Like Tom said, the cost is minimal, and if it breaks the job, you’re bidding it way too low! LOL!

 

[don_resqcapt19]

I have sprinkler room that also has fire pump has 120V duplex general receptacle in it. The plans shows it as GFCI. The reasoning according to engineer is that it is indoor wet location because when sprinkler go off its wet so based off of 210.8(b) requires gfci.Also it has electrical fire pump in the room

I am having trouble understand how its indoor wet location. If its indoor wet location then it also requires weather proof enclosure too

Can anyone here think it is indoor wet location or not? I am not sure

Why would you even think about something the engineer has required that exceeds what the NEC requires? Are you thinking at an installation that exceeds the requirements of the NEC is somehow a violation?