"Staring at the ceiling"

[normel]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

First thing I notice when walking into a house or business is if the screw slots are aligned on the wall plates. Drives me crazy when they're not.

 

[shocker3218]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

I always find myself looking at how others have done things. Especially since I have been involved in a few home dopots, wal-marts and other large stores.

What about some of the things we find when we do remodel work? example - restaraunt remodel demoing a panel. 120/208 3 phase - several conduits had 3 hots, 3 neutrals, and 3 grounds! Or 4 hots, 4 neutrals, 4 grounds (you get the idea) and they were feeding general purpose outlets.

 

[iwire]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

Originally posted by shocker3218:
What about some of the things we find when we do remodel work? example - restaraunt remodel demoing a panel. 120/208 3 phase - several conduits had 3 hots, 3 neutrals, and 3 grounds! Or 4 hots, 4 neutrals, 4 grounds (you get the idea) and they were feeding general purpose outlets.

I am missing the problem with that, other than a waste of good wire and raceway space.

 

[shocker3218]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

That was exactly my point. A very safe install, but very seldom do you see more than 1 EGC in a raceway (in this case EMT)

 

[hurk27]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

Ever think it was 4 isolated gound circuits

Unless the grounds were bare. :roll:

 

[shocker3218]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

They definately ere not IG at the time I removed them. Were they once? I really don't think so especially since they were from a subpanel and no EGC pulled to the subpanel from the main gear. Just wonder if it was somebody with limited experience trying to help out a friend?

 

[charlie]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

Originally posted by normel:
First thing I notice when walking into a house or business is if the screw slots are aligned on the wall plates. Drives me crazy when they're not.

Ray Mullin (writes for Delmar) is a friend of mine and advocates that but I disagree. What purpose does it serve other than to impress another electrician and to slow the job down? With your comment, I would bet you are a d**n good residential electrician who used Ray's residential wiring book during your apprenticeship training. Am I close?

 

[iwire]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

One of the "High Ups" in the company I work for is obsessed with the screw slots being lined up.

Because of that it is 'company policy' to torture anyone that forgets to line up the screw slots.

 

[petersonra]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

Originally posted by shocker3218:
That was exactly my point. A very safe install, but very seldom do you see more than 1 EGC in a raceway (in this case EMT)

A lot of industrial specs do not allow splicing of conductors. Perhaps the EC involved was more used to doing industrial work rather than commercial.

I have a thing against wirenuts and splcies because of past problems I have encountered so I prohibit them in specs I write. I do allow the crimp on connectors that look like wire nuts, but no butt splices or wire nuts. Just seen too many of them come loose.

I also generally allow connections to be spliced in junction boxes but only at terminal strips.

 

[roger]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

I was taught to always line the slots up from the first job I was on, (hospital) when I asked why, the superintendant said it looked good and kept women with long finger nails from breaking one turning on a light.

Roger

 

[jap2525]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

we went to a basketball game in a brand new arena,,,,,,,,,,,,,everyone was watching the game,,,,,,,,,,,,I was counting the number of bolts it took to hold the beams together. 276!

 

[charlie b]

Re: "Staring at the ceiling"

Originally posted by normel: First thing I notice when walking into a house or business is if the screw slots are aligned on the wall plates. Drives me crazy when they're not.

Now let me see if I have this right. If the receptacle was installed ?ground up,? then the screw slots must be aligned vertically. If the receptacle was installed ?ground down,? then the screw slots must be aligned horizontally. Or do I have that backwards again?