Stilt Home,flood Plain Question!!

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Ok the question is, on a stilt home with a 10 foot flood plain, does the nec require a receptical at the front and rear of the home at the lower level? not the living level i know it does there, but at the bottom below the flood plain????? if yes please tell me in wich section it can be found in the code book because i am having trouble finding it lol!!! thanks !!
 
rcarroll said:
'05 NEC 210.52(E) is the section for outdoor outlets. You may also need to check w/ local AHJ for flood plain amendments.
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thanks and please pardon me for my ignorance but what is AHJ lol . also in that section it sates at grade level you need a outdoor recept but i cant find anything about the flood plain recepts in the code book. ???
 
Grade level & flood plain are two seperate elevation designations.
AS in Florida you know, grade level is where you stand on the dirt.
Flood plain is where ever the flood control district maps put it.
Call your AHJ aka inspector, and ask them what they expect in this situation.

Whether your an apprentice or a season master electrician, you should never feel intimidated, not to call any inspector and ask them questions like this.
 
rcarroll said:
AHJ authority having jurisdiction. In other words the inspector you may have to deal with. As far as code section for flood plains, there is none.
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thats my problem he is assuming that the grade level mentioned in the nec applies to all homes even ones who may be covered in water!! the same home passed rough inspection as is but on final inspection they want recepts in the front and rear of the home. this is contradicting to the codes that i have read on the placement of recepts in wet locations as well as outside of the homes. i am not having fun with this problem at all as you may have already guessed. thanks again.
 
77401 said:
Grade level & flood plain are two seperate elevation designations.
AS in Florida you know, grade level is where you stand on the dirt.
Flood plain is where ever the flood control district maps put it.
Call your AHJ aka inspector, and ask them what they expect in this situation.

Whether your an apprentice or a season master electrician, you should never feel intimidated, not to call any inspector and ask them questions like this.
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thats my problem he is assuming that the grade level mentioned in the nec applies to all homes even ones who may be covered in water!! the same home passed rough inspection as is but on final inspection they want recepts in the front and rear of the home. this is contradicting to the codes that i have read on the placement of recepts in wet locations as well as outside of the homes. i am not having fun with this problem at all as you may have already guessed. thanks again.
 
absoluteelectric said:
thats my problem he is assuming that the grade level mentioned in the nec applies to all homes even ones who may be covered in water!! the same home passed rough inspection as is but on final inspection they want recepts in the front and rear of the home. this is contradicting to the codes that i have read on the placement of recepts in wet locations as well as outside of the homes. i am not having fun with this problem at all as you may have already guessed. thanks again.
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SO an inspector missed something on Rough in? Not the first time!
I don't get or adhere to the "What if"
If your "what ifing" the wet location my advice as stupid as this will sound is don't call for a final when the house is flooded or at high tide?
Just exactly, what is it the inspector wants? & why can't you do it?
 
77401 said:
SO an inspector missed something on Rough in? Not the first time!
I don't get or adhere to the "What if"
If your "what ifing" the wet location my advice as stupid as this will sound is don't call for a final when the house is flooded or at high tide?
Just exactly, what is it the inspector wants? & why can't you do it?
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yea they missed somthing lol! i know it happens all the time but how offten do they miss an outside recept? the what if is this guy is just trying to prove something at my expence cause he is new and its not very funny lol. he also said i had to put a old work box behind a vanity light with a fill of atleast 2.2 cube with the proper connectors!!! but yeah the final at high tide thats funny lol i will be sure not to do that! he wants a recept in the front and rear of the home, on the stilt legs of the house? i can do it but its just a pain cause the builder dosent want any dammage!!!
 
This is not an NEC issue this is a FEMA issue. You need to contact your Building Department and talk to the FEMA rep and get a list of what can and cannot be below flood. I have a list but it is back at the office. The inspector has NO say as to having anything additional below flooe. You can have 1 (one) receptacle outlet and 1 (one) switch below flood. ALL other required electrical equipment MUST be above flood. This includes the service equipment, A/C equipment (and disconnects). This does not include Pool equipment because it is not required equipment. It also includes generators and its' associated transfer switch and disconnect. In certain flood zones the walls that are built below flood must be break away walls and cannot have any electric on them. The easiest way for me to determine flood is to see the cantilever for the A/C unit, everything below that cantilever is within flood.

Andrew
 
andrew said:
This is not an NEC issue this is a FEMA issue. You need to contact your Building Department and talk to the FEMA rep and get a list of what can and cannot be below flood. I have a list but it is back at the office. The inspector has NO say as to having anything additional below flooe. You can have 1 (one) receptacle outlet and 1 (one) switch below flood. ALL other required electrical equipment MUST be above flood. This includes the service equipment, A/C equipment (and disconnects). This does not include Pool equipment because it is not required equipment. It also includes generators and its' associated transfer switch and disconnect. In certain flood zones the walls that are built below flood must be break away walls and cannot have any electric on them. The easiest way for me to determine flood is to see the cantilever for the A/C unit, everything below that cantilever is within flood.

Andrew
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wow thanks thats exactly what i thought!!! the ac is about 12 feet above the ground. as well as the meter and so on. and as for the breakaway walls yes it has them but this guy thinks i should place the outlets on the stilt legs lol !! anyway thanks so much! thats great info!
 
You have left the USA your now in pasco county.Good luck you need it.Look up what they get paid and you will understand why you get what you got.Ask Allen w and tell him what jerk you got and he will tell you how to deal with him.
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
You have left the USA your now in pasco county.Good luck you need it.Look up what they get paid and you will understand why you get what you got.Ask Allen w and tell him what jerk you got and he will tell you how to deal with him.
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i spoke to paul and he said no i didnt need one then they called my office back and said i did!!!???????? wow i hate pasco! i normally do the homes in tampa, right now i am doing the sub off anderson and hills. they are fine lol but this pasco is just wow out of there mind. but i was told by the office not to fight it so now i dont know what to do!??
 
absoluteelectric said:
i spoke to paul and he said no i didnt need one then they called my office back and said i did!!!???????? wow i hate pasco! i normally do the homes in tampa, right now i am doing the sub off anderson and hills. they are fine lol but this pasco is just wow out of there mind. but i was told by the office not to fight it so now i dont know what to do!??
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I can tell you what to do but you will get 20 years.There inspectors are guys that could not make it as contractors and are trying to add you to list
Would you work for 14 i turned it down
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
I can tell you what to do but you will get 20 years.There inspectors are guys that could not make it as contractors and are trying to add you to list
Would you work for 14 i turned it down
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i think i will have no choice but to do it, dam lol. but ohwell i guess. yea these guys are just well yea underpaid wannabe electricians. lmao. i turned them down to and i actually spoke to allen and he was a nice guy but well i couldnt bring myself to be a person like that if you know what i mean lol! thanks for your help!
 
absoluteelectric said:
i think i will have no choice but to do it, dam lol. but ohwell i guess. yea these guys are just well yea underpaid wannabe electricians. lmao. i turned them down to and i actually spoke to allen and he was a nice guy but well i couldnt bring myself to be a person like that if you know what i mean lol! thanks for your help!
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allen is a great guy,glad i met him even if i cant work where he does.Lets all 3 get together for some beers and plot the accidental death of a few.The 14 was about 3 years ago so might be up to 14.25 you get what you pay for.Keep in mind you must have a masters to even get the job.
 
a masters for the electrical inspector? not here these guys just read a book and assume they know it all. i guess thats kinda what we do lmao but most of them that i know or have dealt with dont even have any on the job experiance they just wanted the job when it was opened. lmao. yeah i think #883 and #722 should be on the hit list lol!
 
absoluteelectric said:
a masters for the electrical inspector? not here these guys just read a book and assume they know it all. i guess thats kinda what we do lmao but most of them that i know or have dealt with dont even have any on the job experiance they just wanted the job when it was opened. lmao. yeah i think #883 and #722 should be on the hit list lol!
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Not sure of his number but one starting with C is on mine.And yes requires ability to pass masters but then maybe they get help with that and if speak the spanish ----well you know all about how that works here.Any cheap sites on 38's, or perhaps i could turn my pitt bull with aids on him.Monday is the day,hope we both make it home
 
Jim W in Tampa said:
Not sure of his number but one starting with C is on mine.And yes requires ability to pass masters but then maybe they get help with that and if speak the spanish ----well you know all about how that works here.Any cheap sites on 38's, or perhaps i could turn my pitt bull with aids on him.Monday is the day,hope we both make it home
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lol too funny! ah and yes i am at a dissadvantage i dont speak spanish lol! i like the pitbul idea lol!! if this inspector dont leave me alone about this dam house he may be hard pressed to walk around this house to check the recepts lol.
 
absoluteelectric said:
lol too funny! ah and yes i am at a dissadvantage i dont speak spanish lol! i like the pitbul idea lol!! if this inspector dont leave me alone about this dam house he may be hard pressed to walk around this house to check the recepts lol.
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Pasco only hires the best.Dont choke on your beer

I use to say if i can pass city of tampa i could pass anything but pasco doesnt play with nec as a rule book.
 
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