stolen 350 mcm

[jonesjax]

how can you secure a 30 x 30 x18" C.T. The thiefs broke into the JEA transformer while it was hot tore the ct can off of the wall then stoll 100' of parralled 350mcm and one 250mcm from the trans to the building.

cost to replace the wire is 10,000.00 and custumer wants me to find a way to secure it. I know JEA will need to get into it so I must supply a way for them to put a lock on it. Even though they can cut the lock off again.

Any ideas not really a welder...

they did catch the guys and yes he was an electrician staying at the rent by the week hotel for construction people. when we where pulling the wires back in we had a real crowed watching so we made it look impossible by using a pulling rig and stopping and grunting alot....

Thanks

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Put a few of these inside the box. It will discourage all but the foolhardy.

 

[Dennis Alwon]

Seriously this time. I wonder if there is a wy to install an alarm of some sort. At least on a temporary basis.

 

[Pierre C Belarge]

the customer who owns the property should be the responsible person securing the property...unless they would like to pay you to provide such a service.

 

[Jljohnson]

Wireless IR Security Cameras if you have an internet source available. seems to deter them at least a little bit.

 

[tonyi]

Phase monitor hooked to an alarm perhaps?

You probably want to know when you lose a leg anyway if there's any 3P motors involved downstream.

 

[kkwong]

cost to replace the wire is 10,000.00 and custumer wants me to find a way to secure it. I know JEA will need to get into it so I must supply a way for them to put a lock on it. Even though they can cut the lock off again.

I can think of two locks that might work, but it would depend on how the cabinet would lock. Some of the cabinets that I have seen will take the same style lock that sits on the door to a service van and literally locks to a stud mounted on the van doors (Medeco makes a version I think). The other is one of those circular locks that you would see at Public Storage. The only draw back to those is the hasp would then be the weakest link.

Other then that...10' tall fence, razor wire and electrify it!

 

[iwire]

the customer who owns the property should be the responsible person securing the property...unless they would like to pay you to provide such a service.

IMO Pierre has the correct answer.

 

[cowboyjwc]

Someone once asked me how to keep the neighborhood kids out of his pool. I told him to plug in his fence when he wasn't home. He asked couldn't that kill them?. I said maybe. He then asked what would that accomplish? I said it would keep them out of your pool like you want.

 

[mattsilkwood]

the sad truth of it is a lock only serves the purpose of keeping an honest person honest.

 

[celtic]

Heat it up.

 

[dwellselectric]

why not wire 120 up to the door knob give them a little juice

 

[Bob Kraemer]

why not wire 120 up to the door knob give them a little juice

Great idea......... but in this day & age with our laws written to protect crooks because they were written by crooks, doing something like that would likely put you behind bars to espically if they got hurt or killed.
There are a lot of people out there who have been charged, jailed, sued "and the crooks won" etc! because they tried to protect there property.
I agree with Bob that Pierre has the correct answer. It is up to the property owner or the GC to provide security on the job site.

 

[Rockyd]

Industrial gear is no different than home gear, if it's valuable, it can be monitored by alarm. When you design the system, make it to where when the lid is removed from the box (plunger) it sets off the alarm. You may want to consider an alarm that monitors, without setting off a 120Db bell so you can prosecute the theives too.

 

[silogram17]

Hello: does JEA mean Jacksonville Electric Authority and CT "current transformer?"

I am looking for guidelines for protection of an outdoor chiller, and noticed many suggested a fence to you.

Cheers, Silogram17

(Minneapolis, MN)

 

[VernB]

We've had a fair amount of problem around the old mill I inhabit with people stealing copper wire, sometimes out of live facilities (although I've never seen anyone break into a CT cabinet to get it). Since I'm the only one auth'd to recover copper wire from the facility, I keep close tabs on what happens .

I've had to secure about a dozen CT cabinets and uncounted numbers of disconnect switches where it's hard to find more than 2 of the same kind, so it requires some innovation (I don't think I've ever found anything I didn't think could be sawed off with enough effort). For the critical facilities feeding me, I've alarmed the cabinets and disconnects with micro switches.

One of these days, I'm expecting to walk in and find a crispy critter somewhere.

Vern

 

[ceknight]

Great idea......... but in this day & age with our laws written to protect crooks because they were written by crooks, doing something like that would likely put you behind bars to espically if they got hurt or killed.

It's not something new to "this day & age". The common laws governing trespass, landowner rights, and obligations to trespassers go back many centuries. The laws themselves weren't really written by crooks back then, mostly by well-meaning jurists trying hard to establish a civil code by which societies could function peacefully.

In general, property owners aren't required to be aware of all the potentially injurious aspects of their property. But if they are aware of something that could be seriously injurious or deadly to a trespasser, they are very much required to at least post warning signs about it. So if you energize that doorknob, you'd better have a big, bold, well-lit sign over it saying "touch this doorknob and you will die". Oh, and have a big fence around it to keep any curious kids out.

 

[H.L.]

DeWalt has something that might work. Go to

http://www.dewalt.com/us/security/mobilelock/

 

[hockeyoligist2]

It's not something new to "this day & age". The common laws governing trespass, landowner rights, and obligations to trespassers go back many centuries. The laws themselves weren't really written by crooks back then, mostly by well-meaning jurists trying hard to establish a civil code by which societies could function peacefully.

In general, property owners aren't required to be aware of all the potentially injurious aspects of their property. But if they are aware of something that could be seriously injurious or deadly to a trespasser, they are very much required to at least post warning signs about it. So if you energize that doorknob, you'd better have a big, bold, well-lit sign over it saying "touch this doorknob and you will die". Oh, and have a big fence around it to keep any curious kids out.

I saw a big sign on a fence recently that said something about high voltage on the fence. I couldn't read all of it because my Spanish isn't so good!

 

[iwire]

Again I point out Pierre's great post

the customer who owns the property should be the responsible person securing the property...unless they would like to pay you to provide such a service.

Any other course of action by the EC, installing locks, installing alarms, adding cameras etc. only puts the responsibility on the EC if the cables are stolen with any of that in place

WHY WOULD YOU WANT THAT?

If it's installed it's the responsibility of the person in control of the property.