sub-panel jumper

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hardworker

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What is the engineering theory behind removing the jumper that connects the ground bar to the negative bar on a sub-panel?

After removing the jumper, these bars become independent, but still get bonded together at the main panel, because the jumper is not removed on the main panel. So what is the theory and the code?
 
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My terminology may not be exactly code, but you have two grounding bars in each panel. One on the left and one on the right. They can be either "jumped" together or separated. I call the one under the negative lug, the negative grouding bar.
 
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The purpose in life of the ?ground? wire (properly called the ?Equipment Grounding Conductor,? or EGC) is to carry fault current directly back to the source. It will do nothing at all, unless and until a hot wire comes into contact with the case (or any external metal part). If there were no ground wire, then the next time a person touches the case, current will flow from hot, to case, to human hand, through human body, to floor, through dirt, to ground rod, through Grounding Electrode Conductor, and finally back to the source. It won?t be much current, since dirt is not a really good conductor. But it will be enough to ruin that human?s day.

The ground wire connects to the case (or other external metal part). If a hot wire were to contact the case, current will immediately flow from hot, to case, via EGC to ?ground bus? at the main panel, via main bonding jumper to the neutral (what you called, in correctly, the negative bar), and thus back to the source. The resistance of this path is so low that the current will be high enough to immediately trip the breaker, and terminate the event.

Now to address your question: What if you connected the ground bar to the neutral bar at a sub-panel? The hot wires carry current from the main panel to the sub-panel. Between the main panel and the sub-panel you will have two paths for current to return. One is along the neutral, and is the intended return path. But since the neutral and ground are connected at both ends, the EGC is in parallel with the neutral. Therefore, some of the current that should flow through the neutral will instead flow through the EGC. That means that any and all external metal parts (including, perhaps, even conduit) will carry current all the time. That is an electrocution waiting for its first victim to touch something metal.

If the neutral and ground are connected only at the main panel, this parallel path will not exist. The EGC, the conduits, and all other external metal parts will not carry current, except when they need to (i.e., to trip the breaker, in the event of a fault).

Does this answer your question?

P.S. Please consider dropping the phrase "negative bar" from your vocabulary. I suspect that no one else uses it, and that no one else will understand what you mean.
 
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Yes, you did a very clear job in answering my question. For some reason this morning, I mistakenly used negative instead of neutral. Sorry for my mistake. Thanks for the correction.
 
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Why does not some current flow thru the EGC at the main? I know you said the parallel path is not there, but please explain the parallel path. I really want to understand the theory.
 
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Hardworker,

It's great that you are interested and want to learn this because the topic of grounding is such an important one. It is also difficult for many of us to fully comprehend, hence the need for a topic at this site specifically dedicated to the subject.

Perhaps someone could offer some links to information that would provide more details? My guess is that the deeper this conversation goes, the more questions this hardworker will have.

Bob
 
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Hardworker, here is a drawing that shows this parallel path.

:)

Roger

[ May 02, 2005, 04:16 PM: Message edited by: roger ]
 
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Originally posted by hardworker: Why does not some current flow thru the EGC at the main?
Because current is trying to get back to its source.

To be as accurate as possible without getting too technical, the "source" is the transformer that supplies the facility, However, for most (if not all) practical purposes, we can visualize the main panel as being the source. Therefore, when current returns to the main panel (along a neutral wire), it does not travel (via the bonding jumper) to the ground bar, for the simple reason that it has already returned to its source.

Any current that thinks about going from the neutral bar (via the bonding jumper) to the ground bar, and from there (via an EGC) back out to the building, would quickly realize that it would be travelling away from the source.
 
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i understand removing the jumper and breaking the flow, but the main has a jumper. This is what I do not understand.
 
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