Subpanel

[readydave8]

What violations are visible in pic?

HI said working space and height of breakers, was he correct?

Says files too large so not able to post pics yet, I'll post this anyway until someone tells me how to fix

(No problem posting the pics on ET)

 

[letgomywago]

What violations are visible in pic?

HI said working space and height of breakers, was he correct?

Says files too large so not able to post pics yet, I'll post this anyway until someone tells me how to fix

(No problem posting the pics on ET)

You can resize it to lower quality that's what I've done here

 

[letgomywago]

Here you go

 

[letgomywago]

If this is correct orientation then it doesn't meet the rule for up is on and down is off.

No coupling on the liquid tight sleeve

Working space but the rule for existing buildings allowing less height than normal I feel shouldn't be allowed at this point.

 

[readydave8]

If this is correct orientation then it doesn't meet the rule for up is on and down is off.

No coupling on the liquid tight sleeve

Working space but the rule for existing buildings allowing less height than normal I feel shouldn't be allowed at this point.

I hadn't thought about orientation of breakers, thanks

The sealtight is sleeving romex, romex has connector where it enters box, I feel like that end is ok. Other end has Sealtight connector in handybox, so I'm not sure I'd consider romex secured

And thanks for picture magic! Maybe next you can help me with on-line Social Security form?

 

[readydave8]

 

[letgomywago]

It's just such a terrible job

 

[norcal]

If this is correct orientation then it doesn't meet the rule for up is on and down is off.

No coupling on the liquid tight sleeve

Working space but the rule for existing buildings allowing less height than normal I feel shouldn't be allowed at this point.

What it was installed before that rule took effect? A lot of manufacturers made them that way in the past.

 

[letgomywago]

What it was installed before that rule took effect? A lot of manufacturers made them that way in the past.

What year was that in the NEC idk it seams like an old old rule but the romex to the panel looks late 70s at the earliest.

 

[norcal]

What year was that in the NEC idk it seams like an old old rule but the romex to the panel looks late 70s at the earliest.

240-81 requiring the up position of a vertically mounted breaker to be on, is in the 1975 NEC, but does not exist in the 1971 NEC, but does not having any marking that it was new in '75.

 

[letgomywago]

240-81 requiring the up position of a vertically mounted breaker to be on, is in the 1975 NEC, but does not exist in the 1971 NEC, but does not having any marking that it was new in '75.

White romex is late 70s so now the question is what NEC was adopted at the install

 

[Fred B]

What it was installed before that rule took effect? A lot of manufacturers made them that way in the past.

If you look at mfg label it is upside down. Looks like an old Murray panel.

 

[hillbilly1]

When you select the picture, click on “Show picture” then click on “Actual size”, and it will give you a pop up list of file sizes you can use, then just click on the smaller file size. At least that’s how Apple works

 

[readydave8]

Yes is Murray

But flipping panel would just interchange which breakers switch down for on

So it was legal when panel was manufactured? Although possibly not when installed

 

[norcal]

White romex is late 70s so now the question is what NEC was adopted at the install

It was still white in the early 2000's, it started to change then.

 

[letgomywago]

It was still white in the early 2000's, it started to change then.

Yes but white started late 70s. It was black, white, pink, and blue then but not standardized. Idk how to tell mc age without looking at it but I can tell old AC from newer mc and ac. When did old school AC stop being galvanized I guess.

 

[don_resqcapt19]

Yes but white started late 70s. It was black, white, pink, and blue then but not standardized. Idk how to tell mc age without looking at it but I can tell old AC from newer mc and ac. When did old school AC stop being galvanized I guess.

While the manufacturers use standard colors, there is nothing in the product standard to require the use of those colors. If someone wanted to make 14AWG copper with a yellow or orange jacket, there is nothing to prevent that.

 

[letgomywago]

While the manufacturers use standard colors, there is nothing in the product standard to require the use of those colors. If someone wanted to make 14AWG copper with a yellow or orange jacket, there is nothing to prevent that.

But there is atleast a general consensus from the various manufacturers

 

[Joethemechanic]

I think the installer violated the 8 beer rule

 

[readydave8]

Better?