TAMPER RESISTANT RECEPTS

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DOES ANYONE BELEIVE THAT A POLE BUILDING (NO PLUMBING/ DETACHED) ON A LITTLE RESIDENTIAL FARM WOULD REQUIRE TAMPER RESISTANT RECEPTS?:? WE HAVE AN INSPECTOR THAT WROTE A CORRECTION CITING NEC 406-12A :rant::lol:
 
If it does not meet the definition of a dwelling unit then he is mistaken.

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Maybe I am wrong. 406.12A says all outlets perscribed by 210.52. 210.52G2 speaks to accessory buildings. Now I am second guessing my first comment.
 
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WELL, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT 406.12(A)

406.12 TAMPER-RESISTANT RECEPTACLES. TEMPER-RESISTANT RECEPTACLES SHALL BE INSTALLED AS SPECIFIED IN 406.12(A) THROUGH (C).
(A) DWELLING UNITS. IN ALL AREAS SPECIFIED IN 210.52, ALL NONLOCKING-TYPE 125-VOLT, 15- AND 20-AMPERE RECEPTACLES SHALL BE LISTED TAMPER-RESISTANT RECEPTACLES
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SO LET'S CHECK 210.52:

210.52 DWELLING UNIT RECEPTACLE OUTLETS.

(A) GENERAL PROVISIONS. IN EVERY KITCHEN, FAMILY ROOM, DINING ROOM, LIVING ROOM, PARLOR, LIBRARY, DEN, SUNROOM, BEDROOM, RECREATION ROOM OR SIMILAR ROOM OR AREA OF DWELLING UNITS...........
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NOPE, A POLE BUILDING ISN'T LISTED. LET'S KEEP LOOKING.

(B) SMALL APPLIANCES.
(1) RECEPTACLE OUTLETS SERVED. IN THE KITCHEN, PANTRY, BREAKFAST ROOM, DINING ROOM OR SIMILAR AREA OF A DWELLING UNIT............
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STILL NO POLE BUILDING.

(C) COUNTERTOPS. IN KITCHENS, PANTRIES, BREAKFAST ROOMS, DINING ROOMS, AND SIMILAR AREAS OF DWELLING UNITS............
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STILL NO POLE BUILDING.

(D) BATHROOMS......
(E) OUTDOOR OUTLETS.......
(F) LAUNDRY AREAS........
(G) BASEMENTS, GARAGES, AND ACCESSORY BUILDINGS............(2) ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. IN EACH ACCESSORY BUILDING WITH ELECTRIC POWER........
(H) HALLWAYS.....
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I SUSPECT HE'S GOT YOU.




BTW, your CAPS LOCK key is broken.

 
What is the function of the building? Agricultural related or dwelling accessory building?

There can be somewhat a fine line that separates these two functions.
 
480sparky said:
WELL, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT 406.12(A)



SO LET'S CHECK 210.52:

210.52 DWELLING UNIT RECEPTACLE OUTLETS.




NOPE, A POLE BUILDING ISN'T LISTED. LET'S KEEP LOOKING.



STILL NO POLE BUILDING.



STILL NO POLE BUILDING.



I SUSPECT HE'S GOT YOU.




BTW, your CAPS LOCK key is broken.
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Haha. Yours TOO


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kwired said:
What is the function of the building? Agricultural related or dwelling accessory building?

There can be somewhat a fine line that separates these two functions.
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It is agricultural but I think if we try to take that stance that would be simply "up to the authority having jurisdiction"



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louis1 said:
It is agricultural but I think if we try to take that stance that would be simply "up to the authority having jurisdiction"



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The fine line I mentioned might be whether the agriculture activity is "for profit" or more of a hobby. Of course as you said mostly up to the AHJ, some seem to have narrow vision.

Having the property in an area that is zoned agriculture and not just residential may help also.

Small acreage but near a city may not have any agricultural zoning.
 
What is the big trouble with installing TR receptacles? Just put them in.
 
No trouble really, just the principle of the matter, (knowing that despite the ruling, the intention of the code is to exempt such a structure/occupancy), the owner hates them as much as I, the labor cost to replace 20 devices, and obviously the most and real reason is simply, being a journeyman for 30 years, I am very stubborn when I have a valid point. 210.52 is not written to re-define "dwelling unit"!!!! The only real problem is that when the code was written, art. 406.12 it should be worded "in all areas specified in 210.52 tamper-restistant.... blah blah was just a typo. It should have said "in all areas specified in 210.52 (A), tamper-resistant.... blah blah. That is what I believe the committee was going for. I suppose I would like to know what Mike Holt, himself, would think?
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What is the big trouble with installing TR receptacles? Just put them in.
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480sparky said:
406.12 TAMPER-RESISTANT RECEPTACLES. TEMPER-RESISTANT RECEPTACLES SHALL BE INSTALLED AS SPECIFIED IN 406.12(A) THROUGH (C).
(A) DWELLING UNITS. IN ALL AREAS SPECIFIED IN 210.52, ALL NONLOCKING-TYPE 125-VOLT, 15- AND 20-AMPERE RECEPTACLES SHALL BE LISTED TAMPER-RESISTANT RECEPTACLES
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Do these keep people who are losing a video game from throwing a fit and ripping the console plug out of the wall and throwing the entire mess out the window?
 
louis1 said:
No trouble really, just the principle of the matter, (knowing that despite the ruling, the intention of the code is to exempt such a structure/occupancy), the owner hates them as much as I, the labor cost to replace 20 devices, and obviously the most and real reason is simply, being a journeyman for 30 years, I am very stubborn when I have a valid point. 210.52 is not written to re-define "dwelling unit"!!!! The only real problem is that when the code was written, art. 406.12 it should be worded "in all areas specified in 210.52 tamper-restistant.... blah blah was just a typo. It should have said "in all areas specified in 210.52 (A), tamper-resistant.... blah blah. That is what I believe the committee was going for. I suppose I would like to know what Mike Holt, himself, would think?
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Your inspector is requiring it because they see it as a dwelling accessory building. Nothing wrong IMO with requiring it in dwelling accessory buildings. The main question here is if this is truly a dwelling accessory building?

If it is on a farm and is used for farming operations, I'd say it is not a dwelling accessory building, it is just a non related building in somewhat close proximity to the house.

If it is full of livestock, feed, agronomy supplies, it is part of a farming operation.

If it is used to store mostly non farming items, it very well may be considered an accessory to the dwelling. Some instances that line may be hard to distinguish.

My shop for my EC business is on same land as my house and is less then 100 feet from the house. Never had an EI in there, but I don't consider it to be a dwelling accessory building. Next owner maybe will, but that is not my problem right now.
 
Would just like to say I Read your discussion and you referenced the 2017 code, I believe we are still working on the 2014 code in 2017 has not been adopted at least in Florida yet
 
Was still the same in the 2014.

(G) Basements, Garages, and Accessory Buildings. For
a one-family dwelling, at least one receptacle outlet shall be
installed in the areas specified in 210.s2(G)(1) through (3).
These receptacles shall be in addition to receptacles required
for specific equipment.
(1) Garages. In each attached garage and in each detached
garage with electric power. The branch circuit supplying
this receptacle(s) shall not supply outlets outside of the
garage. At least one receptacle outlet shall be installed for
each car space.
(2) Accessory Buildings. In each accessory building with
electric power.
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And this thread is over three years old.

-Hal
 
Green Tag said:
Would just like to say I Read your discussion and you referenced the 2017 code, I believe we are still working on the 2014 code in 2017 has not been adopted at least in Florida yet
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You have fallen into the "old thread" trap. The thread is 3 years old and got skipped over when the new software took over.
 
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