telephone wire
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ryan_618
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Re: telephone wire
See 800.113
See 800.113
Re: telephone wire
The NEC does not say if you have to use cat 3 cat 5 or what type of phone wire, only that the wire be rated for the type of installation meaning the insulation is good enough. That is the code section that ryan posted.
I would use cat 5 or 6. I would put each box as a home run, then if you want to later you can make splices with the same wire for a home network.
The NEC does not say if you have to use cat 3 cat 5 or what type of phone wire, only that the wire be rated for the type of installation meaning the insulation is good enough. That is the code section that ryan posted.
I would use cat 5 or 6. I would put each box as a home run, then if you want to later you can make splices with the same wire for a home network.
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Re: telephone wire
There is an FCC requirement that cat 3 phone cable be used in all new construction, it was issued perhaps 5 years ago, but who would enforce it?
If I had time I could dig in my files and find it.
However using POTS would not be recommended, as Cat 3, 5 or 5 e is hardly any more expensive. By the way the bisci recommended stardard for residential wiring is 1 cat 3, 1 cat 5e, 2 rg6 and 1 fiber to each room.
There is an FCC requirement that cat 3 phone cable be used in all new construction, it was issued perhaps 5 years ago, but who would enforce it?
If I had time I could dig in my files and find it.
However using POTS would not be recommended, as Cat 3, 5 or 5 e is hardly any more expensive. By the way the bisci recommended stardard for residential wiring is 1 cat 3, 1 cat 5e, 2 rg6 and 1 fiber to each room.
peter d
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Re: telephone wire
I think all the home networking stuff is a bunch of hype. Who needs all that stuff in the age of wireless?
That said, I will install whatever you want me to, but my own home will have the cheapest Cat 3 available going to the phone jacks.
I think all the home networking stuff is a bunch of hype. Who needs all that stuff in the age of wireless?
That said, I will install whatever you want me to, but my own home will have the cheapest Cat 3 available going to the phone jacks.
ryan_618
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Re: telephone wire
Are you kidding me???
bensonelectric
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Re: telephone wire
I usually hear 2 cat5e, and 2 RG6 to each room. Cat 3 is out of date, and fibre is too expensive, and serves no purpose.
I usually hear 2 cat5e, and 2 RG6 to each room. Cat 3 is out of date, and fibre is too expensive, and serves no purpose.
peter d
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Re: telephone wire
Ryan, I agree. That one slipped by me before. It's totally ridiculous. I suppose it's fine if you ever plan on converting your home into a data center. :roll:
Ryan, I agree. That one slipped by me before. It's totally ridiculous. I suppose it's fine if you ever plan on converting your home into a data center. :roll:
ryan_618
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Re: telephone wire
Thats what I was thinking!
jimwalker
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Re: telephone wire
Cat 5e is the only way i would go.As to wireless good luck, privacy just went out the window.Like it or not your in the computer age and chances are high that the average family has atleast 2.We have 6 up and running in the house.It might be a selling point later.
Cat 5e is the only way i would go.As to wireless good luck, privacy just went out the window.Like it or not your in the computer age and chances are high that the average family has atleast 2.We have 6 up and running in the house.It might be a selling point later.
bensonelectric
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Re: telephone wire
I dont trust wireless, no matter what card/AP combination I have used, if you walk in the wrong spot, your connection can lag out. I wired up my entire house with two phone, two data (cat 6) and two RG6, split onto two boxes on opposite walls, and a few certain rooms with additional connections for distributed audio, all home runs down to my basement. I ran all the wire and terminations myself, and the raw materials only cost around $350, but since, we bought a TiVo which uses the ethernet jack I put behind the TV that my mom said "oh we'll never need that there, we're never going to have a computer back there". Whole house wiring has its benifts considering more and more appliances are coming out nowdays with ethernet capability, and you'll never know where you are going to put those things when you get them.
What it all comes down to though is what you think you'll need, then put in more than that just for safteys sake.
I dont trust wireless, no matter what card/AP combination I have used, if you walk in the wrong spot, your connection can lag out. I wired up my entire house with two phone, two data (cat 6) and two RG6, split onto two boxes on opposite walls, and a few certain rooms with additional connections for distributed audio, all home runs down to my basement. I ran all the wire and terminations myself, and the raw materials only cost around $350, but since, we bought a TiVo which uses the ethernet jack I put behind the TV that my mom said "oh we'll never need that there, we're never going to have a computer back there". Whole house wiring has its benifts considering more and more appliances are coming out nowdays with ethernet capability, and you'll never know where you are going to put those things when you get them.
What it all comes down to though is what you think you'll need, then put in more than that just for safteys sake.
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- Illinois
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- retired electrician
Re: telephone wire
Don
My idea on this would be to just install what is needed at the time of installation, but install the cable in conduit. That way when the equipment is upgraded you can install new cable that is correct for the new application. Cables installed now, for future use, may be not be suitable for the future needs.
Don
jimwalker
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- TAMPA FLORIDA
Re: telephone wire
The conduit idea is not a bad one.
The conduit idea is not a bad one.
peter d
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- New England
Re: telephone wire
I think ENT is the way to go. And then install the cheap cat 3 in it.
I think ENT is the way to go. And then install the cheap cat 3 in it.
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Re: telephone wire
I'll be doing ENT in my dream home someday. Then you're set for whatever Cat36DD is coming down the pike.
I'll be doing ENT in my dream home someday. Then you're set for whatever Cat36DD is coming down the pike.
macmikeman
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Re: telephone wire
And then after we spend all that money and time running conduits, ent , multiple cables, or whatever the power company starts selling line carrier technology and renders all our other stuff useless. Who knows, it may happen if they get their act together and overcome the obstacles.
And then after we spend all that money and time running conduits, ent , multiple cables, or whatever the power company starts selling line carrier technology and renders all our other stuff useless. Who knows, it may happen if they get their act together and overcome the obstacles.
allenwayne
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Re: telephone wire
As we wire it is obsolesant.Cat 3,5,6 quad shielded coax.Tomorrow will dictate what is good for today only.Cynical yes realistic even more.
As we wire it is obsolesant.Cat 3,5,6 quad shielded coax.Tomorrow will dictate what is good for today only.Cynical yes realistic even more.
Re: telephone wire
As a side note, I wouldn't run anything but cat3 for voice. Anybody who has had to terminate a large scale job would agree that it is MUCH easier. Hal do you visit her much? I know your on my side!! It can even be quite cheaper. Not much difference here between cat3 riser vs cat5 riser, but price the same in plenum... BIG difference.
For what its worth, I typically run 1 cat3, 1 cat5, & 2 rg6 to several locations per room, depending on layout. The home theater gets more thought and I request detailed info if I'm not providing the equipment.
[ January 09, 2006, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: btsloan1 ]
As a side note, I wouldn't run anything but cat3 for voice. Anybody who has had to terminate a large scale job would agree that it is MUCH easier. Hal do you visit her much? I know your on my side!! It can even be quite cheaper. Not much difference here between cat3 riser vs cat5 riser, but price the same in plenum... BIG difference.
For what its worth, I typically run 1 cat3, 1 cat5, & 2 rg6 to several locations per room, depending on layout. The home theater gets more thought and I request detailed info if I'm not providing the equipment.
[ January 09, 2006, 07:31 PM: Message edited by: btsloan1 ]
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