Tenant Access to panel 240.24 (B)

[T74]

Im looking for some clarity on 240.24 (B)


I'm looking at a 2 family that currently has 1 meter/panel. Owner wants to install a 3 gang meter socket and 3 panels--1 for each unit and an owner's panel.

Only the first floor unit has access to the basement where the existing panel is and the owner will not live in the building.

I've suggested installing the panel for the second floor unit in a walk up attic where the tenant will have access.

I'm wondering if others have run into this and if there are other solutions?

 

[nickelec]

I can tell you that around here poco will only give u three meters if the property is legally listed and has a CofO for a three family unit

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[mopowr steve]

Walk in attic ?

 

[infinity]

I would group the service disconnects together with a 3 meter stack/disco combo on the outside of the building. Then you can install the panels wherever you want within the apartments.

 

[chicagosparky]

Around here, the utility [Com Ed] will provide 1 meter per "legal" unit & 1 additional for "public", which covers hall & exterior lights. The owner will then usually allocate that meter for his [or hers].

 

[hbiss]

I can tell you that around here poco will only give u three meters if the property is legally listed and has a CofO for a three family unit

So they expect common areas, mechanicals and lighting to be supplied by a tenant meter? :?

I've heard of jurisdictions that require an owner's or house meter for multifamily even if it isn't used.

-Hal

 

[kwired]

I can tell you that around here poco will only give u three meters if the property is legally listed and has a CofO for a three family unit

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Around here, the utility [Com Ed] will provide 1 meter per "legal" unit & 1 additional for "public", which covers hall & exterior lights. The owner will then usually allocate that meter for his [or hers].

My question is why does POCO even care if there is multiple legal occupancies or not?

This sounds like an issue for codes and zoning enforcement and not something for POCO to have any interest in policing.

I can see them refusing to energize a new service without approval from codes enforcement authorities, but that puts such decision on said authorities and not on the POCO.

 

[nickelec]

My thinking is they teamed up with the city the stop illegal apartments well not stopped completely I guess but try to deter Land Lord's

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[kwired]

My thinking is they teamed up with the city the stop illegal apartments well not stopped completely I guess but try to deter Land Lord's

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And won't it still work to not energize a new service until the code inspector gives approval? I can't see any POCO's around here wanting to police what is a legal occupancy, let the code inspectors do that.

Outside of that, multiple meters usually means multiple minimum monthly service fees are collected - usage fees is still based on kWHrs either way.

 

[nickelec]

I agree with you just not the way they do it in NYC who knows why I'm sure they have their reasons. Bottom line is ConEd will not just give you 5 metres because you asked for it or any amount of meters for that matter

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[victor.cherkashi]

In NYC, if you don't want to deal with ConEdison for more meters, landlord put private submitters downstream that is much faster solution.

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[tortuga]

I would group the service disconnects together with a 3 meter stack/disco combo on the outside of the building. Then you can install the panels wherever you want within the apartments.

:thumbsup: That's usually what we often do.
Around here POCO will energize as many meters as AHJ will 'green' tag (they actually use orange now). POCO will first want to see your load calcs for the new meters. POCO will then charge if they need to up size xformer due to additional load.
Possibly there will be a mandatory conversion to UG service if existing is OH.
Cheers