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Their is no good way to let someone go.I had to terminate an employee today and I never like doing it but I was put in a spot because I had previously terminated another employee for the very same reason so if I was not consistant with this employee then the former would have a cause against me.I wish I had more flexability but in todats world you cant be to cautious.
 
Yes it is not fun

Yes it is not fun

WHen I was a manager I had a three strikes for the same infraction. Verbal verbal written. Fourth time gone.

I figured I would give them the benefit of the doubt but you must fire an employee who isn't doing what is expected.

I find also it is good to have policies in place prior to hiring and firing.
 
There are potential offenses that are so severe that immediate termination is the only appropriate response. Working on the side for a competitor (without the knowledge and approval of your boss), stealing company property, falsifying a time card, and bad-mouthing the company in front of a client are four examples that come to mind. But these (or at least a representative sample, ?not all inclusive?) should be included in the company?s policy on employment.

If the company policies are clear and if you are doing your job right, then when you terminate an employee ?for cause,? you should not be feeling, ?I regret that I had to do that.? Instead, you should be feeling, ?I regret that he made me do that.?
 
muskiedog said:
WHen I was a manager I had a three strikes for the same infraction. Verbal verbal written. Fourth time gone.


I find also it is good to have policies in place prior to hiring and firing.
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Wouldn't this actually be four strikes?? :confused: :grin:

I do agree with your last statement though. The more unclear things are the more room for problems.
 
Rewire said:
I had to terminate an employee today - I had previously terminated another employee for the very same reason so if I was not consistant with this employee then the former would have a cause against me.
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That reads to me that you terminated the first guy for some other reason than you gave him. Otherwise you would have terminated #2 for the same reason without a second thought.
 
dbuckley said:
That reads to me that you terminated the first guy for some other reason than you gave him. Otherwise you would have terminated #2 for the same reason without a second thought.
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He didn't say that he had second thoughts. He said he did not enjoy the experience. That is very understandable. The difficult part is making sure you are fair, and that you give employees a fair opportunity to improve their behavior before terminating them. Sometimes, as I said, the offense does not warrant a second chance.
 
Well in Indiana we don't need to worry about some one have a cause against us we can fire a guy for no reason at all and really I think that is how it should be. If I don't like you and have decided you don't fit, good bye. I have fired three guys and don't really feel bad about it. I am not hard to please if you know what the word work means.
 
The same goes for Texas but no good deed goes unpunished and if you don't cross your 't's and dot your 'i's you could find yourself being sued for discrimination and/or have to pay unemployment, no matter how just the firing.
 
Many moons ago, when I was working for another EC, my helper showed up one day and took his hat off. Out plopped a baggy of weed.

I just looked at him and said, "Go to the shop." As he left, I phoned my boss and told him what happened.

An hour later, the kid shows back up at the jobsite, ready to go to work. I immediately phone the boss again and ask why he's back.

"We have to give him an opportunity to rehabilitate himself. We can't fire him unless we give him the chance at counselling."

I was dumbfounded. Here we were, wiring a new school, and our work needs to be done correctly or else the safety of hundreds of kids are at stake, and he wants me to let this pot-head go to work.
 
480sparky said:
Many moons ago, when I was working for another EC, my helper showed up one day and took his hat off. Out plopped a baggy of weed.

I just looked at him and said, "Go to the shop." As he left, I phoned my boss and told him what happened.

An hour later, the kid shows back up at the jobsite, ready to go to work. I immediately phone the boss again and ask why he's back.

"We have to give him an opportunity to rehabilitate himself. We can't fire him unless we give him the chance at counselling."

I was dumbfounded. Here we were, wiring a new school, and our work needs to be done correctly or else the safety of hundreds of kids are at stake, and he wants me to let this pot-head go to work.
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If the bag of weed was at a school with children present, that should be an immediate arrest. Depending on the amount there might be intention to sell.


BTW: Where is that guy now?
 
BackInTheHabit said:
....BTW: Where is that guy now?
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My money is he's doing time in the GrayBar Hotel. This was about 6 or 7 years ago. And it was a new school under construction, not an open one.
 
At least you won't commit common errors if you read one or two books on employees' and employers' rights.
 
That's one of the reasons I got out of management and went back to being self-employed with no employees.

I used to be one of the guys taking pot shots at the management, saying I'd do this, I'd do that, why don't "they" just do this and my favorite "If I were "them" I'd fire that guy!"

Well, it ain't easy to fire someone even if they are deserving. Especially after you've gotten to know them and maybe their family. It's tough. I hated it.
 
I just made the lay off that I posted about earlier. It was really difficult. I've fired plenty of guys over the years and it has never bothered me. (well it always bothers me on some levels) This time it does. For the past dozen or so years until recently, I knew that anyone I let go would be able to find another job more or less immediately. That really made it easier for me. This guy has a wife and children and it is not a good time to be job searching. But for so many reasons, it had to be done. Making it more difficult is that I like him a lot and consider him a friend.....
 
j_erickson said:
I just made the lay off that I posted about earlier. It was really difficult. I've fired plenty of guys over the years and it has never bothered me. (well it always bothers me on some levels) This time it does. For the past dozen or so years until recently, I knew that anyone I let go would be able to find another job more or less immediately. That really made it easier for me. This guy has a wife and children and it is not a good time to be job searching. But for so many reasons, it had to be done. Making it more difficult is that I like him a lot and consider him a friend.....
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Note to self...cross Erickson Electric of the "send resume to" list...:grin:

This types of situations are partially why I just work alone. That and the fact that I am the only one who knows what I'm doing. :wink:
 
electricmanscott said:
Note to self...cross Erickson Electric of the "send resume to" list...:grin:

This types of situations are partially why I just work alone. That and the fact that I am the only one who knows what I'm doing. :wink:
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I'd love to work alone. Or really with just one employee. But in doing a lot of new homes, I can't accomplish enough alone. It sounds easy to say just lose a few customers. But I've been there and when one key customer slows down, then I'm dead. Livin the dream.....:grin:

Oh, but please do send a resume.:cool: :grin:
 
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