ryan_618
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Does the box in the picture comply?
Edited to correct code reference
[ July 07, 2004, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: ryan_618 ]
The "smart box".
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Edited to correct code reference
[ July 07, 2004, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: ryan_618 ]
jeff43222
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Re: The "smart box".
I guess it would depend on what the "ends of the enclosure" means. There aren't any visible exterior brackets, and it looks like the nails are more than 6 mm from the back of the box.
I guess it would depend on what the "ends of the enclosure" means. There aren't any visible exterior brackets, and it looks like the nails are more than 6 mm from the back of the box.
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Re: The "smart box".
I think this is a bit better image.
It appears to me that the nails "...pass through the interior within 6 mm (1/4 in.) of the back or ends of the enclosure."
The product is listed. Check this page's "specifications" tab.
http://www.smarthomeusa.com/Shop/Hardware-Cable/Item/SB1G/
I think this is a bit better image.
It appears to me that the nails "...pass through the interior within 6 mm (1/4 in.) of the back or ends of the enclosure."
The product is listed. Check this page's "specifications" tab.
http://www.smarthomeusa.com/Shop/Hardware-Cable/Item/SB1G/
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- Illinois
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Re: The "smart box".
In my opinion that code rule only applies to boxes like these, where the nail passes completely through the interior of the box.
Don
In my opinion that code rule only applies to boxes like these, where the nail passes completely through the interior of the box.
Don
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Re: The "smart box".
Don,
I believe you are correct that may have been the original intent. I also believe that since it doesn't say "completely through," UL used a more liberal interpretation and found the box compliant with both the cited reference and 314.43.
The box is definitely listed. I found it's "E-number"(E205857)on UL's "Compliance" site. [Product code: QCMZ]
http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.htm
I find it difficult to think UL would list a product they believed to be uninstallable.
Don,
I believe you are correct that may have been the original intent. I also believe that since it doesn't say "completely through," UL used a more liberal interpretation and found the box compliant with both the cited reference and 314.43.
The box is definitely listed. I found it's "E-number"(E205857)on UL's "Compliance" site. [Product code: QCMZ]
http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.htm
I find it difficult to think UL would list a product they believed to be uninstallable.
electricmanscott
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Re: The "smart box".
Ryan are you having a slow inspection day?
Ryan are you having a slow inspection day?
hbiss
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Re: The "smart box".
I'm with Don on this one. I believe that section refers to mails or screws passing through the box. The 1/4" requirement is to maintain the inside dimensions for conductors and devices.
Anybody have anything to say about the sheetrock screws this manufacturer chose to furnish? I remember some here get all bent out of shape about sheet rock screws being use to fasten boxes to studs. :roll:
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I'm with Don on this one. I believe that section refers to mails or screws passing through the box. The 1/4" requirement is to maintain the inside dimensions for conductors and devices.
Anybody have anything to say about the sheetrock screws this manufacturer chose to furnish? I remember some here get all bent out of shape about sheet rock screws being use to fasten boxes to studs. :roll:
-Hal
ryan_618
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Re: The "smart box".
[ July 07, 2004, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: ryan_618 ]
No Scott. I'm off work for a couple of days.Originally posted by electricmanscott:
Ryan are you having a slow inspection day?
[ July 07, 2004, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: ryan_618 ]
Re: The "smart box".
Hello Ryan, Thanks for recommending this site! While on the topic of UL conflicts, I am at loss over those ladder cups with the grooves cut in them for a #8 solid and secured by a wire binding screw. A kind gentleman from another site e-mailed me a UL sheet on the product. How can this be when direct conflict with the nec? article 110.14 (a) I think, don't have a code book handy....
Hello Ryan, Thanks for recommending this site! While on the topic of UL conflicts, I am at loss over those ladder cups with the grooves cut in them for a #8 solid and secured by a wire binding screw. A kind gentleman from another site e-mailed me a UL sheet on the product. How can this be when direct conflict with the nec? article 110.14 (a) I think, don't have a code book handy....
electricman2
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- North Carolina
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
Re: The "smart box".
Who says we cant use drywall screws. they are the handiest thing since sliced bread.
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