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What would you do in this situation?

An A/E sends bid to EC to run wire/cable in PVC in slab floor. Cable specified is not rated for wet locations. Contractor knows the location will become wet and informs A/E. A/E shrugs it off and instructs to bid as specified.

What do you do?

Walk away.
Bid as is.
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It's business

It's business

Go to tonights thread, propering installation is required for Wet locations.
Put an Add/Alternate on your bid.
Stay out in front of it ... I beleive you work to the NEC , you might or might not work for them.
 
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We had the same thing some time ago, we pointed it out, bid as requested (and told too), bid alternate and did not get job. I knew the guy who got the job he installed as bid was turned down on inspection and got a fat extra.
 
JohnConnolly said:
Bid as is and charge for a change order when the time comes.
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Bingo! That's how you play the game.

"Oh, you wanted wire in that conduit I just installed? It doesn't really seem to be on the print. Sign here for that."

"Oh, you wanted fuses in those disconnects? Yeah, I agree, they work better with fuses clipped in the fuse holders. Sign here for that."

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You don't end up hearing "You should have known better!" or "You have to make it pass inspection at your original price!" or "You're responsible for it passing!" from the A/E?
 
IS that really the nature of the Business side, you know the rules going and with a wink and a nod, Gezz ...

I flatly think maybe thats why I wasn't as good of a business man in first Vocation, great on to the Second one.

Running with the Code, Brushing up againest the Laws, it seems to me
this smells of Design Build. Oh yeah, lets bring in the electricity, whats it up to section 16 in the Construction Spec's. It's such a dis-service
to the Future Owner, they'll pay for it either way...
 
Send in your bid per plans and a dated RFI. As soon as the ink on the contract is dry, RFI the A/E again,dated again, so you have correspondance to fall back on. Wait three days for a response. Then send a copy of the letter and another letter to the building official asking him for an official ruling on that particular item. I can promise that you will receive your CO once you have the paper to back yourself up.
 
I hate playing the "GAME" which is why we seldom bid to contractors. I have sat in meetings watching the EC and GC go at it tooth and nail fighting over extras..NOT MY CUP OF TEA, I want it spelled out or I spell it out. NO grey areas.
 
Thanks guys. The reason I ask is I have a friend starting up a biz and a chance at a large contract for the telecom part with a slab on grad building and knows full well the PVC will be wet and wants to protect homself.

My advice was bid alternate and if rejectected walk away. Naturally the carrot is too big for a start up to walk away from.

Like the BID AS SPECIFIED, then CHANGE ORDER when needed order to obatin CO from AHJ. Will advise .

Any other comments? Don't pulll punches, I can take it.
 
My only thought with change orders is that now you're going back and working on the same job for the same customer that probably isn't going to use you agian and just wasting your time when you could be out rounding up a new customer.
 
Theoetical Question

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All good advice but personally I have better things to do than play those games. Think of the time wasted. Maybe its my age but I don't care about those jobs anymore and don't have anything to prove. I guess in the past I would to the job just to prove my point, but I would cover all my bases like you got in the other answers. Semper Fi.
 
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I think the A/E realized you were right and didn't want to update the plans to reflect the change. Knowing this in advance will give you the advantage if you follow the sound advice on this forum. Its rare to find a project without errors such as this. Change orders now seem to be what we used to call profit
 
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