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Code Assistance/Development Unit
NJ Dept. of Community Affairs
Division of Codes and Standards
101 S. Broad St.
PO Box 802
Trenton, NJ 08625
(609) 984-7609 (phone)
(609) 633-6729 (fax)
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Is there any chance of the project being declared an emergency repair?I sent an e-mail to the DCA Code Assistance Unit regarding my issue and purposely did not mention the township. This was their response :
It appears I'm up against a bureaucracy and It also appears that I'm getting my chops broken. I'm not ready to burn the bridge yet but that may come sooner than later.
I suppose I could do that but then again, if the EI happens to drive by and either sees me working or sees that that job was already done then he has one up on me and then he could file a complaint against me with the State. I'll bite my tongue for now and see what happens.Is there any chance of the project being declared an emergency repair?
Nah......20 days until a state legislator needs a new service in a hurry...
I agree that it's frustrating. These towns are doing their best with limited resources but overall no one really cares. They operate these building departments on a shoe string budget and there is really no downside for them other than people like you complaining. Trenton doesn't do much of anything. The last great move from the State was to remove a bunch of items from the list of required permits like roofs which no longer require a building permit. Turns out those never got inspected anyway. Other than that it's pass the buck and blame Covid or something else that is actually under their control.OK. Another first (unrelated to the original post). I installed ONE 30 amp, 120V feeder to a detached 3-car garage for a 5 unit apartment building. Inside the garage I installed a 4 circuit sub-panel. Each garage had ONE 15 amp breaker associated with it and ONE 15 amp breaker for an outdoor motion sensor light. Installation was overhead with a 2" gal mast. Inside each garage was a single receptacle for the door opener, a light, a switch and one GFCI receptacle.
First off, I had to wait 2 weeks to get an inspection. Then the clerk tells me that the EI inspects between 9:00 AM and 3:00 PM (a 6 hour span). I arrived at the site at 9:00 AM and began to call the bldg dept to see where my inspection was in the scheme of things. I get a recording "there is no one in to take your call at this time, please leave a message and we'll call you back at our earliest convenience." I called every hour on the hour and got the same message. I finally contacted the town clerk and asked whether there was anyone in at the const. dept. She said there was but that she was there alone and asked me to be patient and understanding. Only one person there - Is that my fault ??? This is in an affluent town in Bergen County, NJ. This is a travesty and has to stop. I'd rather not file a complaint but I would do that for the trade if I knew it wouldn't fall on deaf ears.
Anyway, the EI shows up at around 2:30 PM and was a perfect gentleman. He knew his stuff and pointed out a few discrepancies :
Just looking for opinions if Is anyone in agreement or disagreement with his recommendations.
- Instead of having individual breakers for each garage there should have been ONE disconnect. My comment was that this was ONE 30A, 120V circuit. He said it didn't matter but allowed the installation. My other reason for doing it this way is that if any of the garage renters used a high amperage appliance, the 15 amp breaker would trip before the main 30 amp breaker and therefore not inconvenience the other garage renters.
- He had me install ONE ground rod in the event of a lightening hit. I disagreed but installed it anyway.
Interesting. I had been under the impression that if you had more than 2 circuits it was then that you needed the rod(s) for the GES supplement.Regarding the second part of your post if you have a feeder to a separate structure it requires a GES. I'm surprised he allowed a single rod without testing for 25Ω or less as required by the NEC.
You said that you ran a feeder which requires a GES.Interesting. I had been under the impression that if you had more than 2 circuits it was then that you needed the rod(s) for the GES supplement.
BTW, I've been at the front desks of some bldg. depts., heard the phone ring and no one made an effort to answer the phone and just let it go to voice mail. I don't want to file a complaint for fear they'll go Postal on me.
I bren a sparky a year longer then you across the Delaware river in philly. 4 years ago it took one of our sparkies 11months to get a license due to 7 times he went to the Municipal Service building they said at first paper work was incorrect. He fixed that and then they said they are short handed. Took second coworker 5 months to have them issue him a license ( pre pandemic ). Have to do an OSHA 10 or 30 class and prove you have vehicle insurance. In my 50 plus years never performed electrical work while driving. Dukes of hazzard Pa has been talking about going with a state electrical license since 1964. Some townships in Pa will issue you a permit same day for service upgrade while can take a ling time at some hick towns. Once had to supply 3 sets of drawings just to install a 200 amp single & 3 phase service in a commercial building. My brother in law worked for one of the largest AC/Refrigeration comoany in my area. He gave a retired L&I worker money every week to go downtown with several sets of drawings for several permits. Most of the time he came back by noon time with petmits. Philly only location in Pa that goes by 2 codes. 2017 for 1 & 2 family residental and 2014 for everything else. Glad that I' m retired. Going away Thanksgiving week for my third vacation this year. Another bad thing abiut some hick towns in Pa you can go out to their township building and look over a 10.page amendment tobthe present NEC perform the job and have your inspector pass it to only have local guy fail you because he has some unwritten codes of his own. Had one hick town inspector fail me because I had one #12 wire spliced inside of a panel. Have to hate how every slow down is blamed on the pandemic.Just venting here.
I've been in the trade since 1971 when I got out of the Marine Corps. Worked for an EC and worked in NYC for 10 years. I got my electrical license in 1973.
Now that that is out of the way, I'm sure we've all had instances or discrepancies with EI's or municipalities and I'm sure the sagas about these can go on and on. I submitted a permit app 2 weeks ago to a municipality in NJ. It was TYPED and perfectly legible. ALL my information was clearly printed on the sheets, including my license #. I placed a call to the town yesterday asking what the status of the permit was. The clerk told me that they are running 20 BUSINESS DAYS for approvals. I mentioned that this was for an electrical service upgrade (pretty basic thing I would guess). She said it didn't matter - it's 20 business days - 20 business days is 4 weeks, last time I checked. I believe the law in NJ is 3 weeks or 15 business days. There is no plan review required. I'm not putting an addition on a house.
With that I contacted the DCA and inquired about this. They advised me to wait another week before filing a complaint.
Low and behold, an hour later the clerk called me and stated that the EI COULD NOT READ THE INFORMATION OF MY PRESSURE SEAL and could I send them a copy of my license and business permit. ARE YOU KIDDING ME !!!
I'm at the point where I'm nearing the end of my career and I'm not one to take any crap. I purposely did not mention the town but has anyone else run into this type of abuse ?
I hope they're prepared for a fight. I'll keep you posted