this one's a doozie

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wirenut1980

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I am trying to model the voltage drop on the utility medium voltage system of a welder, connected phase to phase on a 480 volt system. The 480 Volt system is fed by a 1500 kva transformer, 12470 wye-480/277 V wye. For now I am only interested in the voltage drop looking from the primary terminals of the transformer.

I do not know the exact load details of the welder, but for now let's say the load is 250 + j500 kva.

The per unit source impedance looking from the primary terminals of the 1500 kva transformer is as follows (100 MVA base, V_base = 12.47 kv):

Z+ = 0.3293 + j1.6478 pu = 1.68 @ 78.7 deg
Z0 = 0.849 + j3.0054 pu = .0056 @ 63.5 deg

My model on paper consists of a series circuit with a 1 @ 0 deg, pu voltage source, the positive sequence impedance of one phase, the load calculated at 0.0025 + j0.005 VA (impedance unknown without calculation), and another positive sequence impedance to represent the return path of current to the source.

KVL around the series circuit gives me:

V_source = (Z+)*I + V_Load + (Z+)*I

V_source = (2*I*Z+) + (VA_pu/I^2)*I

V_source = (2)*(I)*(Z+) + (VA_pu)/I

Plugging in numbers:

1 @ 0 deg = (3.36 @ 78.7 deg)*I + (0.00056 @ 63.5 deg)/I

And this is where I am running into problems. Rearranging terms:

(3.36 @ 78.7 deg)*I^2 -(1 @ 0 deg)*I + (0.0056 @ 63.5 deg) = 0

A freakin polynomial with complex numbers, are you kidding me!:grin:

Is this even solveable, or did I go about this the wrong way? I am sure I have oversimplified this from the correct way to do it, but if this is oversimplified, then I don't think I'll be able to wrap my head around the correct way. There must be an easier way! Thanks to anyone who can help.:smile:
 
I only speak the schematic language, with a NJ accent. Can you post or send?
 
drbond24 said:
I don't have time to go through your whole problem at the moment, but my TI-92+ has a solution for the quadratic you came up with:

I = 0.302 @ -79.3 degrees or
I = 0.0055 @ 64.1 degrees
HP yields the same
0.302035@-79.33243 deg
and
0.005518@64.13243 deg
 
Thanks guys, I do have a TI-86, but I never learned how to do the more advanced functions on it. Probably would have made college easier. :grin:

And I should probably learn how to post diagrams on here as well.:cool:

Does it look like my line of thinking is pretty good for a wag of voltage drop on the primary?
 
wirenut1980 said:
Thanks guys, I do have a TI-86, but I never learned how to do the more advanced functions on it. Probably would have made college easier. :grin:

And I should probably learn how to post diagrams on here as well.:cool:

Does it look like my line of thinking is pretty good for a wag of voltage drop on the primary?
I'm not sure what you did with Z0 but I figure it was a typo and mixed in the load but I followed what you were doing. No biggie.

At first glance, it sounds reasonable to me. Usually we just have the amps for the load and call it close enough. An impedance would be easier than a voltage dependent load. But we have a load current that is voltage dependent and it sticks us with a quadratic.

What do the two solutions tell us? The voltage drop in the path and the voltage drop in the load swap values. Not sure what that means. Probably requires more thought than I can muster up right now.

The larger drop in the load (I = 0.0055 @ 64.1 degrees) Would put the voltage across the load close to the magnitude of the source 1.013@-0.697). The larger drop in the path means a voltage magnitude of 1/54th across the load (0.0185@142.8). Real load data might give better choices.
 
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