tieing up a boat prior to it leaving the panel???? requiured

[Sparkinitup]

I was called by an inspector about having to tie a boat of circuit together (zip tie ok'ed) prior to them leaving the breaker panel. He stated that this is a new code but did not provide any further .... other than a correction notice... has anyone crossed this and could you provide a code section.. thanks much...

 

[Sierrasparky]

Yes started in 2008 I believe.

 

[Sierrasparky]

Don't forget the handle tie.

 

[102 Inspector]

Specifically 210.4(D) of 2008 edition.

 

[mjf]

Sorry, I'm clueless, what is a boat of circuit?

 

[Jljohnson]

A "boat" is a multi-wire branch circuit, typically one A, one B, one C phase and a Neutral

 

[mjf]

A "boat" is a multi-wire branch circuit, typically one A, one B, one C phase and a Neutral

OK, thanks, never heard that slang before.

 

[jumper]

OK, thanks, never heard that slang before.

"Full Boat"=9 hots, 3 noodles, 1 EGC.

3 MWBCs

Works for #14 and #12 after derating.

Common for commercial work.

 

[GoldDigger]

I was called by an inspector about having to tie a boat of circuit together (zip tie ok'ed) prior to them leaving the breaker panel. He stated that this is a new code but did not provide any further .... other than a correction notice... has anyone crossed this and could you provide a code section.. thanks much...

210.4(D) [2011] has an exception which may or may not apply to your correction notice:

Exception: The requirement for grouping shall not apply if the circuit enters from a cable or raceway unique to the circuit that makes the grouping obvious.

So if the boat sails out via its own conduit or is in one piece of NM, then the tie may not be required. It does take more to make something obvious to some inspector than others.

 

[ggunn]

OK, thanks, never heard that slang before.

Me either. From the thread title I assumed it had something to do with hooking a boat up to shore current, and yes, absolutely the boat should be tied up before running the cable. :happyyes:

 

[Besoeker]

Me either. From the thread title I assumed it had something to do with hooking a boat up to shore current, and yes, absolutely the boat should be tied up before running the cable. :happyyes:

I took it that way too.
You live and learn.......
But I'm not altogether keen on slang for electrical matters. I think it has to potential for otherwise avoidable misunderstandings.

Now.....where did Jock put that box of Zebedees...............

 

[kwired]

210.4(D) [2011] has an exception which may or may not apply to your correction notice:

So if the boat sails out via its own conduit or is in one piece of NM, then the tie may not be required. It does take more to make something obvious to some inspector than others.

I agree. And "tieing up" may not really be the proper way to describe the requirement as has been done in the OP. The only real requirement here is that all the conductors of the multiwire branch circuit need to be somehow identified that they are a "set" of some sort. If they leave the panel as the only conductors in a particular raceway or a cable, that alone does "group" them in a way to meet the intent of this section and the exception.

To the OP: why didn't the inspector give you a code section? If you do have your "boat" in an individual raceway or cable, or somehow something does inherently "group" these together in a somewhat obvious manner - then you maybe should tell him the section and also tell him to actually read it:thumbsup: If you have multiple "boats" in a raceway and do not have them "grouped" in some way, well just call it a learning experience - this has not always been a requirement.