Tier 2 Fire Alarm Drawings Stamped?

[designer82]

As the engineer of record providing Tier 1 drawings, obviously those get stamped.

Question is, when a FA vendor submits the Tier 2 detailed installation drawings, do these need to be PE stamped or just approved by the engineer?


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[masterinbama]

As the engineer of record providing Tier 1 drawings, obviously those get stamped.

Question is, when a FA vendor submits the Tier 2 detailed installation drawings, do these need to be PE stamped or just approved by the engineer?


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Usually the FA drawing are the responsibility of the FA contractor.

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[gadfly56]

As the engineer of record providing Tier 1 drawings, obviously those get stamped.

Question is, when a FA vendor submits the Tier 2 detailed installation drawings, do these need to be PE stamped or just approved by the engineer?


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Talk to the AHJ. As I recall, our FA design drawings for LaGuardia were stamped, but I don't think the installing contractor's drawings were stamped.

 

[Charged]

In my office it’s typically treated as a delegated design. We provide layout and specification for bidding and coordination purposes. We do stamp them with the PE stamp but I’m not sure that’s necessary. We receive the detailed design by the fire alarm contractor as a shop drawing during construction which ultimately gets submitted to ahj. Typically you will receive a building department comment to submit the fire alarm contractors design when’s it’s ready. Same with fire protection.

 

[ron]

Depends on the jurisdiction and your contract with the client.
Some jurisdictions require the contractor to submit the shop drawings stamped and some don't.
If your contract with the client indicates one way or the other, and the jurisdiction is silent on the matter, then follow the client contract.
In most jurisdictions, we submit our Contract Drawings for permit and the contractor's shop drawings are only submitted to us for review (not signed/sealed), such as jurisdiction within NY and NJ. I have worked in some other jurisdictions where they only want to see the shop drawing level documents signed / sealed, such as Atlanta GA and Durham NC, so those are handled as Designated Designs.
I've not heard of the Tier 1 and 2 designations before.