Trades Being Held Up??

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Alwayslearningelec

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Have job where ceiling is framed. Ceiling is mix drop gyp and acoustical.

By our fixtures not being installed what trades/work is being help up and can't do their work.

We are trying to hold off going back but GC says we going to be holding up other trades which I get but want to be sure.

As far as I know it would be sheetrocker/ceiling guy and painter, correct?
 
What does you look ahead say and why are they not being installed.
Is there stored material in your way or framing incomplete. Floor guys blocked in for that time frame and there week to be there.
 
ptonsparky said:
IDK the details but I would add flooring. If the GC says you're holding them up by not going back, you are.
Assuming of course, that he just wants someone on the job doing something, so he isn't lonely.
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He is lonely and pushes for a presence even when not needed.
 
Tulsa Electrician said:
What does you look ahead say and why are they not being installed.
Is there stored material in your way or framing incomplete. Floor guys blocked in for that time frame and there week to be there.
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I don't exactly follow you last sentence.

Not being installed because the GC is playing games and I want to go back only when necessary. If there is no sense of urgency/push I feel our guys are less productive.
 
It's the GC's job to make sure every thing is flowing . If it is something you can do after the sheetrock is up. Just explain it to him.
I would get as much done as possible so as not to hold the other trades up.
 
Alwayslearningelec said:
I don't exactly follow you last sentence
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Flooring installers typically schedule 3-4 weeks out. If you cause a ripple so that drywallers or painters are still there when the flooring time comes, and flooring has to be rescheduled, it can throw 4-6 weeks off.

But I've had stupidintendents want electrician to come for bits and pieces as if we're just waiting at the curb in a service truck
 
James L said:
Flooring installers typically schedule 3-4 weeks out. If you cause a ripple so that drywallers or painters are still there when the flooring time comes, and flooring has to be rescheduled, it can throw 4-6 weeks off.

But I've had stupidintendents want electrician to come for bits and pieces as if we're just waiting at tge curb in a service truck
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That is the exactly the problem here with the GC super. But to be honest I don't have enough PM and field experience to know the exact details of install and scheduling to be able to make the call or rebuttal when it comes to needed or not needing manpower. Yes generally speaking I do.
 
Part of the trouble with electricians is that it's an ongoing task in many cases. It's not like you can send the electricians in and they can do their work and they're done. You need to get a good relationship with the GC so he understands what your bid includes and what it does not. If it does not include being there to do miscellaneous work as needed to keep the job going so it doesn't impact other people you need to let him know.
 
petersonra said:
Part of the trouble with electricians is that it's an ongoing task in many cases. It's not like you can send the electricians in and they can do their work and they're done. You need to get a good relationship with the GC so he understands what your bid includes and what it does not. If it does not include being there to do miscellaneous work as needed to keep the job going so it doesn't impact other people you need to let him know.
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I completely get it and that's what I'm trying to understand and get a handle on. But one has to have a very good handle on installation steps between all trades and how they floe into each other first before being able to make the call whether electrician is needed on site or not.

It's easy to say we need you hear because the fixtures are ready to go in. But to me it's not that clear cut.

1. Even if ready are they needed to go in at this point?
2. Does it make sense to only come to back to install just fixtures with no other work.

Et.etc. etc. ....
 
I have one now that's pushing the utilities to set their equipment. even though my switchgear and 800 automatic and manual transfer switches are 2 months out. he has it in his head that if the utility company's stuff is set, permanent power is a day or 2 away.
 
Alwayslearningelec said:
I don't exactly follow you last sentence.

Not being installed because the GC is playing games and I want to go back only when necessary. If there is no sense of urgency/push I feel our guys are less productive.
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On the scheldule if the floor guys are scheduled ( blocked in ) than no need to be there. Ask him for a scheldule then you can see if it's ready for you than get er done.
Sorry for the confusion on verbage.

You could always send him a change order for guys to be there and not working. Usually his boss will call you and ask about it. A site visit at that point usually squares things away.
 
There should be a flow chart showing activities and milestones, if you are meeting those he doesn't have a leg to stand on demanding you be on the job. On the other hand, if you are not meeting those deadlines and milestones and you are being or have been held up by other trades write a letter(s) bringing it to his attention. A paper trail is a must in arbitration and if liquidated damages are in the contract don't wait. It won't do much for your relationship with the GC but that's just an unfortunate part of business
 
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