Transformer troubleshooting

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electrican

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Wanting to know the proper way to find out which transformer is bad when there is a bank of three. What happened was, when you throw the cutout in it blows instantly. we meggered it and we came up with nothing. What were we doing wrong.
 

bob

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Alabama
Re: Transformer troubleshooting

Have you tested the cable to see that it is ok?
It could be faulted.
 

electrican

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Re: Transformer troubleshooting

Yes we checked the high voltage cable and the secondary cables and they were ok. We could not find anything wrong with any of the three by using the megger and reading the windings with the meter, so we took the tops off and the only thing that we found was that the middle transformer had a burnt smell to the oil.
 

wanderer20001us

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Re: Transformer troubleshooting

It's likely you have a shorted primary winding in the unit that smells burnt. You won't find any problem meggering to ground in this situation. The short is occuring phase to phase across the shorted winding.
 

W6SJK

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Re: Transformer troubleshooting

Originally posted by wanderer20001us:
It's likely you have a shorted primary winding in the unit that smells burnt. You won't find any problem meggering to ground in this situation. The short is occuring phase to phase across the shorted winding.
Not phase to phase, but turn to turn. :)
 

wanderer20001us

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Re: Transformer troubleshooting

Yes, the windings are shorted, causing current to jump "turns" in the windings, bypassing these "turns". This results becasue the short between "turns" lowers the impedence 'seen' by the source, resulting excess current to flow.

The 'short circuit' occurs 'turn to turn'. The fault current occurs phase to phase. Therefore, it is a phase to phase fault. :D
 

molotov27

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Re: Transformer troubleshooting

WITH A SMALL RATIOMETER, OR ONE OF THOSE TRANSFORMER "CHECKERS" (THERE ARE ONE OR TWO MANUFACTURERS OUT THERE), YOU'LL FIND OUT IF IT'S SHORTED.
 

wanderer20001us

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A shorted winding in an oil filled transformer is very hard to test for. After the fault occurs, the oil tends to reinsulates the windings. A TTR (transformer turns ratio) testor will not usually use high enough voltage output to jump between the shorted winding. Unless the winding are physically damaged by the fault to create an open circuit in the winding, resistance tests may not point to the problem either.

Depending on the winding voltage, a power factor test set or a dissapation test set can be use to energize the primary winding gradually up to 2.5 kV. The secondary voltage can then be measured to see where if the ratio deviates from nameplate. There are limitation as to how much energizing current the transformer utilizing and these test sets are very expensive.

You did the best thing you could do with the visual inspection of the transformer. Burned oil almost always equals a failed transformer.

There are tests you can perforom on the oil, both pre and post failure to predict and diagnose transformer problems.

Hope this is helpful. Contact a local NETA testing company in your area as they will have equipment and services availible to help in these situations.
 
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