transformers
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JohnJ0906
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eo283 said:
Question 1- what voltage? Is it a concentric/eccentric KO or not?
Question 2- I don't think you can use it to ground X0. I think you can connect there to bond the local water piping (250.104(D)(1))
crossman
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Question 1: 2005 NEC 250.96(A) or 250.97 depending on circumstance
Question 2: 250.30(A)(7) but don't forget about 250.30(A)(6)
Question 2: 250.30(A)(7) but don't forget about 250.30(A)(6)
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Is there an EGC within the metal flex?
I'm not getting why concentric or eccentric KO's would matter if were talking about a flex connection made with FMC.
I'm not getting why concentric or eccentric KO's would matter if were talking about a flex connection made with FMC.
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eo283 said:
What size FMC and OCPD on the 480 feeder? The FMC may not be a listed EGC, therefore using a bonding bushing would not be required regardless of the KO type.
First look at 250.118(5).
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eo283 said:
A bonding bushing is not required. The use of FMC negates the requirement to bond the raceway around the KO. And EGC is required within the FMC.
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suemarkp said:
If the FMC is already grounded on the other end what good would installing a bonding bushing do at the transformer? It would be bonding a piece of FMC that does not qualify as an EGC. This would like installing a bonding bushing on the end of a piece of PVC conduit.
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suemarkp said:
Yes, you're correct. I re-read my post and I was making some assumptions. eo could provide more information and change the entire context of my response.
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Transformer
Transformer
This is From Square D
Back Feeding Transformers
Occasionally, someone has an urgent need for a non-stock step-up transformer.
The natural inclination is to grab an in-stock step-down unit and to operate it in reverse. Except for small (less than 3 KVA models, which have compensated windings to provide rated voltage at rated load), if permitted by local codes, then it is generally OK to reverse feed a transformer but there are several precautions that should be considered. To illustrate, lets assume that a standard 9T23B3874 step-down transformer rated 75 KVA/3-phase/60 HZ with a 480 VAC Delta Primary with (6) 2-1/2% FC2A4BN voltage taps and a 208Y/120 VAC Secondary is to be operated step-up; that is, 208 VAC input to 480 VAC output.
The installer may discover that the primary protector, having been properly selected and applied per Article 450 of the National Electrical Code, nevertheless, trips or blows when he attempts to energize the reverse operated transformer. This phenomenon can occur because the low impedance winding (the 208Y/120 VAC one that was intended by design to be the secondary winding) now serves as the primary and the value of the magnetizing inrush current (Mag-I) is actually much greater than expected. The Mag-I experienced when energizing transformers is similar to the inrush current associated with motor starting. The primary and secondary full load amps of the subject transformer are 90 Amps @ 480 VAC and 208 Amps @ 208 VAC respectively.
When connected step-down and energized at 480 VAC, the maximum peak inrush current is approximately 990 Amps or 11 times the rated 90 Amp primary winding full load current. But when connected step-up and energized at 208 VAC, the maximum peak inrush can reach 7700 Amps or 37 times the rated 208 Amp secondary winding full load current.
Normally, the taps on the primary can be used to compensate for instances where the voltage of the source is not the same as the rated voltage of the transformer. When the normal secondary is energized to serve as the primary, there are no adjustment taps. So if the voltage of the source is higher than the rated voltage of the transformer?s normal secondary, it will be over-excited resulting in higher than rated core loss and exciting current, this is generally not a serious concern unless the over-voltage exceeds 5%.
When the secondary (WYE) of a DELTA-WYE transformer is energized, instead of the primary (DELTA), the neutral should not be connected to ground or to the enclosure. An unbalanced source might circulate current in the transformer DELTA and cause over-heating. Also the impedance to ground of the transformer might be lower than the system ground impedance and excessive current to ground might over-heat the transformer. Unbalanced conditions could cause a voltage to ground to appear on the enclosure if it was connected to the neutral.
Small transformers, rated less than 3 KVA, are compensated for voltage regulation to ensure that they will provide rated voltage at rated load. This means that the output voltage will be 5 to 10% lower than rated if the winding are reverse connected. The transformer was originally designed for primary and secondary as stated in the nameplate, which is validated by the UL mark. If the transformer is reverse-fed or used in an application other than what it was originally intended for, make sure you consult your local codes and UL standards.
Transformer
This is From Square D
Back Feeding Transformers
Occasionally, someone has an urgent need for a non-stock step-up transformer.
The natural inclination is to grab an in-stock step-down unit and to operate it in reverse. Except for small (less than 3 KVA models, which have compensated windings to provide rated voltage at rated load), if permitted by local codes, then it is generally OK to reverse feed a transformer but there are several precautions that should be considered. To illustrate, lets assume that a standard 9T23B3874 step-down transformer rated 75 KVA/3-phase/60 HZ with a 480 VAC Delta Primary with (6) 2-1/2% FC2A4BN voltage taps and a 208Y/120 VAC Secondary is to be operated step-up; that is, 208 VAC input to 480 VAC output.
The installer may discover that the primary protector, having been properly selected and applied per Article 450 of the National Electrical Code, nevertheless, trips or blows when he attempts to energize the reverse operated transformer. This phenomenon can occur because the low impedance winding (the 208Y/120 VAC one that was intended by design to be the secondary winding) now serves as the primary and the value of the magnetizing inrush current (Mag-I) is actually much greater than expected. The Mag-I experienced when energizing transformers is similar to the inrush current associated with motor starting. The primary and secondary full load amps of the subject transformer are 90 Amps @ 480 VAC and 208 Amps @ 208 VAC respectively.
When connected step-down and energized at 480 VAC, the maximum peak inrush current is approximately 990 Amps or 11 times the rated 90 Amp primary winding full load current. But when connected step-up and energized at 208 VAC, the maximum peak inrush can reach 7700 Amps or 37 times the rated 208 Amp secondary winding full load current.
Normally, the taps on the primary can be used to compensate for instances where the voltage of the source is not the same as the rated voltage of the transformer. When the normal secondary is energized to serve as the primary, there are no adjustment taps. So if the voltage of the source is higher than the rated voltage of the transformer?s normal secondary, it will be over-excited resulting in higher than rated core loss and exciting current, this is generally not a serious concern unless the over-voltage exceeds 5%.
When the secondary (WYE) of a DELTA-WYE transformer is energized, instead of the primary (DELTA), the neutral should not be connected to ground or to the enclosure. An unbalanced source might circulate current in the transformer DELTA and cause over-heating. Also the impedance to ground of the transformer might be lower than the system ground impedance and excessive current to ground might over-heat the transformer. Unbalanced conditions could cause a voltage to ground to appear on the enclosure if it was connected to the neutral.
Small transformers, rated less than 3 KVA, are compensated for voltage regulation to ensure that they will provide rated voltage at rated load. This means that the output voltage will be 5 to 10% lower than rated if the winding are reverse connected. The transformer was originally designed for primary and secondary as stated in the nameplate, which is validated by the UL mark. If the transformer is reverse-fed or used in an application other than what it was originally intended for, make sure you consult your local codes and UL standards.
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nakulak said:
That's fine, but I'm curious what it is that the bonding bushing is actually doing?
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