tripping 200 amp 3 phase main

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willdalrymple

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Went on a service call today, for a 200 amp breaker 3 phase thats starting to trip. a little background on the breaker is as follows. This is the main breaker for an AC subpanel, it is an a-series panel board by GE dead front was hot to touch. main breaker was hot enough to leave second degree burns if you left hand on it. the panel over all was using between 60 and 85 amps is this enough to trip a 200 amp main over time or is the heat a sign the breaker is failing and needs to be replaced.
 

Strahan

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Watsontown, PA
No 65 to 85 amps is not enough to trip this 200amp breaker actually I feel this is a moderate load. If breaker is that hot that you cant touch try checking all connections loose connections will produce heat. Try metering the load and if no evidence exists of higher current draws and connections are good I would suggest changing breaker.
 

brian john

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Leesburg, VA
Did you do a FOP test?
Most likely a connection issue and the CB needs to be replaced.

ALWYS DO A FOP test when you are faced with nuisance breaker tripping issues.

A re-post from a while back.

We are often called by electrical contractors to investigate why fuses are blowing or CBs are tripping. Many times the cause is a high resistance connections resulting in sufficient heat to effect the thermal element in the fuse or CB.

A simple method to isolate the high resistance connection and thus the source of the heat is the Fall of Potential Test Method, commonly referenced to as the FOP test. To perform this test, one simply needs a multimeter with a millivolt scale, and an amp clamp.

There needs to be a load on the device to be tested, preferably a balanced load or close to balanced load. In the case of a fused safety switch (FSS). One would measure current across all three phases, then measure from line to load of one pole/phase of the conductor strands (if exposed) for each pole of the FSS. If one phase has a higher that average millivolt measurement (actually the voltage drop across the device under test). Your next measurement would be from line conductor to line of the fuse, if all readings are close to equal move to the next components of the FSS, in this manner you an isolate the high resistance connection.

With an arranged outage repairs can be implemented and a repair FOP measurement taken to verify repairs.

Our thermographers perform this test as part of their IR Scan to isolate to high resistance issue. As sometimes it is not possible to determine from a picture if the issue is a CB connection to the bus or the CB. Additionally it is not feasible to use a DLRO (Digital Low Resistance Ohm Meter)/ Micro ohm-meter to take measurements on small CBs and FSS due to contact point spacing of the test instruments, so our technicians take pre-repair and post-repair measurement s to verify repairs.


An example we IR?d a 200 amp CB this weekend with 155 amps per phase (average), millivolt readings were 38mv, 91mv and 42 mv. The readings were taken from the bus stabs of the CB, negating any possible issue with the CB to bus connection or conductor termination connector to CB connection. B phase had an issue, when we replace the CB we will do further testing and open the CB to see if visual thermal damage has started.

This test can be performed on single pole CB, or any 3-pole devices, we have used this on 4000 amp bolted pressure switches.

As with any testing of exposed energized parts, all safety cautions must be observed, wearing of PPE, isolating the area to be worked in. One issue we have had over the years is customers taking FLASH photography as we are taking measurements. We no longer permit customers to take photos, without prior notice. This minimizes heart attacks.
 

Strahan

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Watsontown, PA
yea loose connecions or faulty breaker. IR test would have shown heated connections if performed on an annual basis. IR testing is an easy way to identify these problems before they become problems.
 
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